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Seal of Truth Damage with 2.6 and 1.6 [Theck Request]

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Seal of Truth Damage with 2.6 and 1.6 [Theck Request]

Postby towelliee » Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:59 pm

Theck as you requested. Here is Scenario #1

Instance = Old Kingdom Heroic
Seal = Seal of Truth
Weapon = http://www.wowhead.com/item=51947 Troggbane, Axe of the Frostborne King
Parse = http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-yvr5fzgw74kjxgla/


Scenario #2

Instance = Utgarde Pinnacle Heroic
Seal = Seal of Truth
Weapon = http://www.wowhead.com/item=50012 Havoc's Call, Blade of Lordaeron Kings
Parse = http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-ljrako4f2altck4v/

The purpose of this was to see how the damage with SoT is with a slow and fast weapon. Looking forward to the results. I know one thing is for sure. Avenger Shield accounted for 30% of my damage.
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Re: Seal of Truth Damage with 2.6 and 1.6 [Theck Request]

Postby theckhd » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:25 am

Looking at the Elder Nadox and Svala Sorrowgrave fights:

Code: Select all
    EN      SS        EN      SS
Stacks   SoT     SoT      Cens    Cens
0          0       0                 0
1        ~50     ~65                 
2       ~100     ~150      435     390
3       ~150     ~220              629
4       ~200     ~310      880     870
5       ~250     ~420     1100    1132

These are all very approximate. I haven't been careful about averaging, partly because I'm sure there are other effects going on (short-term buffs and debuffs). Also, WoL doesn't seem to parse these logs correctly (partial resists and glancings seem to be missing).

What's strange to me is that your melee swings are around 850 and 1250 with those weapons, respectively. So we're looking at almost 30% weapon damage per swing, which is quite high. One would expect it to be around 18-20% if SotP were multiplicative (0.16*1.15=0.184). Instead, it almost looks additive (0.16+0.15=0.31).

We'll have to check on a more static target like a dummy to be sure.
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Re: Seal of Truth Damage with 2.6 and 1.6 [Theck Request]

Postby Flex » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:50 am

theckhd wrote:What's strange to me is that your melee swings are around 850 and 1250 with those weapons, respectively. So we're looking at almost 30% weapon damage per swing, which is quite high. One would expect it to be around 18-20% if SotP were multiplicative (0.16*1.15=0.184). Instead, it almost looks additive (0.16+0.15=0.31).

We'll have to check on a more static target like a dummy to be sure.


Are you factoring in armor eduction on the melee swings?
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Re: Seal of Truth Damage with 2.6 and 1.6 [Theck Request]

Postby theckhd » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:08 pm

Ah, no I hadn't. That would probably do it. I'll re-check the numbers when I get a little time.
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Re: Seal of Truth Damage with 2.6 and 1.6 [Theck Request]

Postby towelliee » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:17 pm

Let me know if there are any more test you need me to perform. I have the day free today.
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Re: Seal of Truth Damage with 2.6 and 1.6 [Theck Request]

Postby theckhd » Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:16 pm

Including armor effects puts the seal damage between 17% and 20%, right where it should be. So SotP is still multiplicative.
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Re: Seal of Truth Damage with 2.6 and 1.6 [Theck Request]

Postby Sinnegorth » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:16 pm

I can't see WoL at work - what's the verdict on this? Slower weapon or faster weapon? Or doesn't matter?
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Re: Seal of Truth Damage with 2.6 and 1.6 [Theck Request]

Postby Sabindeus » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:50 pm

Sinnegorth wrote:I can't see WoL at work - what's the verdict on this? Slower weapon or faster weapon? Or doesn't matter?


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Re: Seal of Truth Damage with 2.6 and 1.6 [Theck Request]

Postby Phonic » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:57 pm

Honestly, it might not matter, so far all the Cata 1H they posted were one speed.... 2.6. Dunno if it'll stay that way, but it might since they said something that that effect before.

I've seen about 4-5 "Melee DPS" weapons that were mostly Crit/Haste/Mastery:
http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/92163/scimitar-of-the-sirocco/
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/62476/ravening-slicer/
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/61402/riftrent-waraxe/
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56101/sun-strike/
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/55067/elementium-bonesplitter/

The only tank one I've seen datamined is also 2.6:
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56130/mace-of-transformed-bone/

Lots of "weird" ones that are off-hand only, but still 2.6:
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/57929/dawnblaze-blade/
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/57928/windslicer/
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Re: Seal of Truth Damage with 2.6 and 1.6 [Theck Request]

Postby seigert » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:11 pm

Phonic wrote:Lots of "weird" ones that are off-hand only, but still 2.6:
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/57929/dawnblaze-blade/
http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/57928/windslicer/


Frost DKs & dual-wielding Furies?
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Re: Seal of Truth Damage with 2.6 and 1.6 [Theck Request]

Postby Phonic » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:15 pm

seigert wrote:Frost DKs & dual-wielding Furies?


Yeah, that's true... but I don't see why they can't just make it "one-hand" rather than specifically "off-hand" since the speed are the same these days. I mean, not like combat rogues care to share. :p
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Re: Seal of Truth Damage with 2.6 and 1.6 [Theck Request]

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:26 pm

All the weapons I've used have also been 2.6. I've just replaced a green quest reward Axe (2.6, Str, Stam, Dodge, Expertise), with a blue reward Axe (2.6, Str, Stam, Hit, Mastery). I had a green dps weapon before that at 2.6. I've not seen any fast one-handed Maces, Axes, or Swords.
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Re: Seal of Truth Damage with 2.6 and 1.6 [Theck Request]

Postby Phonic » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:28 pm

KysenMurrin wrote: I've not seen any fast one-handed Maces, Axes, or Swords.


Cept the caster ones!! We can go back to TBC SP tanking!!!
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Re: Seal of Truth Damage with 2.6 and 1.6 [Theck Request]

Postby Warsadin » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:34 pm

Oh please no caster weapons. Geez that was an aweful time of infighting with people I know and love trying to steal their weapons.

I am intrigued that we may be moving to slow weapons instead of fast. I would rather personally have harder hitting abilities than autoattacking more often.
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Re: Seal of Truth Damage with 2.6 and 1.6 [Theck Request]

Postby theckhd » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:44 pm

Sinnegorth wrote:I can't see WoL at work - what's the verdict on this? Slower weapon or faster weapon? Or doesn't matter?


The verdict is the same as in Wrath. For auto-attack damage it doesn't matter, but since other abilities proc seals, a slow weapon will give you slightly more seal damage than a fast weapon.

I mostly wanted this data to determine if SotP affected Censure (it does), and how (multiplicatively).
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