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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Thalia » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:03 pm

FF games are appealing to masochists who have no idea what actual gameplay is supposed to be.


I found that offensive as a gamer. Aergis and I still mess around in FFXI occasionally purely for storyline reasons, we do know what gameplay should be like and we are not masochists.

"I can't be a special snowflake." is a poor thing to hold against a game, but whatever.


Me wanting to feel rewarded for something I worked hard for just felt better in Vanilla WoW and early FFXI, just how I felt and I don't feel like it's a poor thing to hold against a game. That's just IMO and that's what drives me to like playing games. The reward you feel when you kill a boss who has been challenging you for a while, or unlocking a story, and having something that only a small percentage of the game population has been able to get. I understand that some people are driven by other aspects of gaming to play, but for me and for others it's the "snowflake" syndrome, and it's a legitimate thing to care about in a game.

Other then that I'm fine with the rest of your statements. Take the insults out of your reviews and all is fine, let's not start a flame war here, this is NOT a WoW Vs FFXIV in the sense that one is better then the other. This thread should be to descimnate information to people who have questions, WoW is the best game to make comparatives too since this is a WoW board.
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Flex » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:08 pm

Thalia wrote:Talk about taking things personal and attacking someone's personal preferences. Cut the damn drama, this is my personal opinion about what i like and dislike about a certain game.

I didn't bash anyone for liking WoW more then FF, you sir are working yourself up for no reason. Say you think the game is dumb, WoW is better, cool, but don't call me a masochist for liking a game you don't.


Your response is much more personal and attacking than his was to yours. Perhaps you should step back and evaluate? Additionally he never really compared the FF games to WoW except in storyline where they were compared for clarity vs emotional impact.
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Eaglestrike » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:16 pm

Brutalicus wrote:Yeah, that was my least favorite thing about XI (though I only played for six months) and the day or so play time I've put into the FFXIV beta. I don't see it magically getting fixed either, but I've got to say if XIV ran as smooth as WoW the other little things wouldn't be nearly as frustrating.


If XIV ran as smoothly as WoW the only thing that'd really be keeping me on WoW's side is that my friends will be sticking to WoW, but when they eventually quit/take a break for Star Wars I'd be all over XIV. Unfortunately it's far too annoying to be stuck with XIV's gameplay, as interesting as a lot of it sounds.

The major problem with XI was always that they had amazing concepts with terrible implementation. I'm not really expecting that to be changed in XIV. A lot of it will sound great, but in actuality it's pretty terrible.
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Thalia » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:20 pm

Eaglestrike wrote:
Brutalicus wrote:Yeah, that was my least favorite thing about XI (though I only played for six months) and the day or so play time I've put into the FFXIV beta. I don't see it magically getting fixed either, but I've got to say if XIV ran as smooth as WoW the other little things wouldn't be nearly as frustrating.


If XIV ran as smoothly as WoW the only thing that'd really be keeping me on WoW's side is that my friends will be sticking to WoW, but when they eventually quit/take a break for Star Wars I'd be all over XIV. Unfortunately it's far too annoying to be stuck with XIV's gameplay, as interesting as a lot of it sounds.

The major problem with XI was always that they had amazing concepts with terrible implementation. I'm not really expecting that to be changed in XIV. A lot of it will sound great, but in actuality it's pretty terrible.


Many people feel the devs will act the same as they did in FFXI, so I understand your hesitation and skepticism. I'm being optimistic that maybe they learned from their mistakes. We will only find out once the game begins. I often don't' like to keep my hopes up either when in the back of my mind I think they might not live up to my expectations.

But it's hard for me not to be optimistic from the information that has been put forth today. Plus, in a more personal stake, I want to build a damn wedding cake and have a wedding ceremony for me and Aergis. After all, we did meet in FFXI and never got a chance to get married in that game.
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Brutalicus » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:24 pm

You could have wedding cakes in FFXI?
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Thalia » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:34 pm

Brutalicus wrote:You could have wedding cakes in FFXI?


No...just wedding ceremonies.

But this was just shown in that SE thing from yesterday:


See around the :51 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cW56J8Gc5A&feature=player_embedded



You can build wedding cakes and make decorations to your liking, you will need help from other crafters to build them though.
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Brutalicus » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:50 pm

That... was a hell of a cake. That's pretty cool, I had never heard anything about teaming up with other crafters. But it makes sense--instead of killing a boss with a lot of teeth with your party, you're crafting an item with a lot of awesome with your party (of crafters)!

Also, that video was trippy. It was a video inside a video inside a video. Now I don't know if I'm a video being watched by them.
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Sabindeus » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:54 pm

is there a cake eating skill

I will be all over that
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Kayoto » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:53 am

For what it's worth, while Eaglestrike's tone could've been slightly less harsh, I pretty much completely agree.

It irks me to no end when people call something 'difficult' when what they really mean is time consuming. Almost nothing in FFXI was 'hard' or 'challenging' -- pretty much everything either took endurance or straight up luck, neither of which presented much of a challenge. (And no, I don't count "Don't accidentally use a skill/spell while standing 2 pixels behind the dragon, or it'll use a move that more or less one-shots the entire raid" as challenging)

The bosses were nowhere near as interesting from a mechanics perspective as WoW's (obviously), and the fights were ridiculously long. As Eaglestrike mentioned, Absolute Virtue (the boss that couldn't be beaten legitimately for years) was only unbeatable because they literally just gave it so much HP regen and strength that it wasn't feasible.

People who have only played WoW don't dislike some of FFXI's/FFXIV's mechanics because WoW is 'easier', but probably because WoW is convenient and less frustrating. It was infuriating to watch your incredibly expensive materials shatter into tiny pieces when you tried to craft something important in FFXI. It was just plain annoying having to wait 15~30 minutes just for an airship or barge to show up at the dock, to get around. It was boring that most boss strategies involved kiting the boss around for hours, or tank and spanking it.

Of course, on the other hand, because every little thing was so frustrating and took such ridiculous amounts of time to accomplish, you definitely got somewhat of a sense of entitlement from the rewards. But, much like Eaglestrike pointed out, this is sort of masochistic. How much of it you can tolerate, of course, varies from person to person -- but how much inconvenience and frustration do you really want to endure, for that feeling of accomplishment at the end? Especially when you know that your reward was derived from naught but time invested, and had nothing to do with skill or ingenuity.

It really is a shame, because FFXI really had some truly amazing things about it. On the topic of in-game weddings, for example, FFXI had incredible ones. My fiancé and I (we met in FFXI) had a Windurstian wedding, and the 'minister' was a GM playing as a Tarutaru (the short, cute race) who spoke in rhymes the entire ceremony. We had all our friends there, there were fireworks, it was on a cliff that you can't get to in any other way in-game, overlooking the ocean... It was really an awesome, awesome event that I'll always remember. Our FFXI in-game wedding date is also our anniversary, and we're going to have our real wedding on that day!

The cake decorating thing looks awesome in FFXIV. It almost makes me sad that I won't be playing, because I know that it'll have a bunch of cool stuff like that, but in the end, the game at its core (overall gameplay, combat, endgame activities, other mechanics) just won't be that good. =/
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Arcand » Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:02 am

Kayoto wrote:Of course, on the other hand, because every little thing was so frustrating and took such ridiculous amounts of time to accomplish, you definitely got somewhat of a sense of entitlement from the rewards. But, much like Eaglestrike pointed out, this is sort of masochistic. How much of it you can tolerate, of course, varies from person to person -- but how much inconvenience and frustration do you really want to endure, for that feeling of accomplishment at the end? Especially when you know that your reward was derived from naught but time invested, and had nothing to do with skill or ingenuity.


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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Kayoto » Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:49 am

Arcand wrote:Germans have the word for this: sitzfleisch. The ability to succeed not through inspiration but through sheer persistence and time investment.
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Gezundheit. ;)

The concept itself isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's just that it's not nearly as rewarding when applied to items in a virtual world instead of something truly important in life, in my opinion.

That was cool to learn, though. I actually find it fascinating when other cultures have words to describe things that are particularly difficult to describe in English!
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Melathys » Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:05 am

I suppose its just one of those agree to disagree things.

However, you can't discount ffxiv because of ffxi. ffxiv is expressly intended for a more casual player base.

I've been saying for a long time now, that if anyone could make a game thats ffxi+wow, they would have an absolutely fantastic game, and I'm hoping thats what ffxiv is. (ie, a more casual ffxi) I mean, they've already announced the ability to change your hairstyle in ffxiv :D
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Thalia » Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:11 am

Melathys wrote:I suppose its just one of those agree to disagree things.

However, you can't discount ffxiv because of ffxi. ffxiv is expressly intended for a more casual player base.

I've been saying for a long time now, that if anyone could make a game thats ffxi+wow, they would have an absolutely fantastic game, and I'm hoping thats what ffxiv is. (ie, a more casual ffxi) I mean, they've already announced the ability to change your hairstyle in ffxiv :D


That's exactly why I'm excited. I did quit ffxi because of some of those things, like deleveling and waiting 4 hours for an NM to pop then have it taken by someone who just got there (though when you won it, it felt great). I wasn't able to play the game again until two years ago when they fixed a lot of the frustrating stuff, though not all.

So with this new game they are keeping all the stuff I loved and none of the annoying crap is there. Crafting is still challenging but you don't lose your materials, you either craft the item or you craft HIGH quality items, like +1's and +2's, but you don't lose your items.

I still understand the hesitation from old FFXI players because of how the dev team handled things with that game. Again I"m being optimistic because of what I've read and I think this time around they are trying to listen more per the list I added earlier. Those where all in response to community feedback.
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Melathys » Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:42 am

have to admit, creature design in this game is pretty wicked

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need to get a pick of a crab, those things are pretty badass looking.
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby ceela » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:37 am

No pics as I'm at work, but have you seen the coblyns around Ul'duh? They're seriously weird for low-level trash.

As for 'difficulty', I cut my teeth on EverQuest so current WoW is about as far from that as you can get. I'm hoping 14 will be somewhere in the middle, but until they announce the end-game content we won't really know. The levelling, though, is really nice and relaxed - it's nice to log on, teleport over, clear a couple of leves and feel accomplished in an hour or so. I'm hoping that'll last through the full 1-50. Also it's really pretty :)
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Ruxpin » Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:49 am

So I got the beta installed last night, made a character, and logged in. I'm finding myself frustrated by the lack of info in the online manual, sluggish controls, and complete lack of sound. I tried playing with the in game config but the volume sliders make no difference. And since I'm only starting now I can't even view the test and bug report forums to find out if there's a solution to the lack of sound problem. What the heck is the point of having a beta test where you can't report or find out about bugs? Anyway, is a lack of sound a known issue, and is there a solution anyone knows of?
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Melathys » Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:37 am

yep, sure is ready for NA release, lolololol

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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Brutalicus » Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:48 pm

Melathys wrote:yep, sure is ready for NA release, lolololol]


out grinding one day...
"What is this strange yellow buff with a Japanese description on it? Oh, it must have been that Japanese guy who healed me while I was grinding in that cave."

three hours later...
"Wow, they should really nerf Japanese players, this buff has been on me for hours, and through death!"

the next day...
"Holy shit, it's still there, and it turned red! Wish it wasn't on me, so I could test my character at normal power level."

hours later...
*killed by a firefly, realizes gear was broken the whole time.*

There's my experience with Beta localization!
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby ceela » Thu Sep 23, 2010 1:20 am

So, I've had the C/E a day now. Sitting in a comfy reclining char playing with a 360 controller, it's a world away from WoW. Very relaxed :)

I've also been exploring. I think I found a high level zone...

(For those not familiar from the beta, I'm level 9ish which means my total HP is about 700).
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Thalia » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:02 am

ceela wrote:So, I've had the C/E a day now. Sitting in a comfy reclining char playing with a 360 controller, it's a world away from WoW. Very relaxed :)

I've also been exploring. I think I found a high level zone...

(For those not familiar from the beta, I'm level 9ish which means my total HP is about 700).


HAHA I love that. Reminds me of the chills I got every time I ran into a goblin in a higher level zone...had to be sooo sneaky.
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby d503 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:25 am

Melathys wrote:yep, sure is ready for NA release, lolololol


Problem is that their stupid Config client defaults to Japanese on the first run. Not sure why they did that...

I think all the localization *ingame* has been tweaked, as I've seen some changes in the main Ul'dah lvl 1 questline. I also haven't seen the famous [en] yet.
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Nothan » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:13 am

Melathys wrote:yep, sure is ready for NA release, lolololol

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You get this error because you can't run the config while the client is open, no idea why they made it load as Japanese the first time though.
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby d503 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:16 am

It's in JP because he's never run the config and chosen English.
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby Nothan » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:41 am

ceela wrote:So, I've had the C/E a day now. Sitting in a comfy reclining char playing with a 360 controller, it's a world away from WoW. Very relaxed :)

I've also been exploring. I think I found a high level zone...

(For those not familiar from the beta, I'm level 9ish which means my total HP is about 700).


How did you get your 360 controller to work on the PC? I might want to try that over the keyboard/mouse, but then communication may be a pain.

Also, what have you been doing after the leves? At the moment I'm level 8, finished the battlecraft leves and the introductory leves, but after that I'm kind of lost on what to do. Other than grind mobs, I made an attempt at cooking and got a couple levels but blew half the gil I had already on ingredients. Other than doing leves and selling drops, how else can you make gil? Problem is, I have no idea how to price things and how to see what may be worth something as opposed to something worth nothing =/
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Re: FFXIV New Trailer and Open Beta

Postby d503 » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:15 am

Nothan wrote:
ceela wrote:So, I've had the C/E a day now. Sitting in a comfy reclining char playing with a 360 controller, it's a world away from WoW. Very relaxed :)

I've also been exploring. I think I found a high level zone...

(For those not familiar from the beta, I'm level 9ish which means my total HP is about 700).


How did you get your 360 controller to work on the PC? I might want to try that over the keyboard/mouse, but then communication may be a pain.

Also, what have you been doing after the leves? At the moment I'm level 8, finished the battlecraft leves and the introductory leves, but after that I'm kind of lost on what to do. Other than grind mobs, I made an attempt at cooking and got a couple levels but blew half the gil I had already on ingredients. Other than doing leves and selling drops, how else can you make gil? Problem is, I have no idea how to price things and how to see what may be worth something as opposed to something worth nothing =/


You need to get the XBOX 360 Contoller for PC: http://goo.gl/5cr4 (The Play'n'Charge kit for wireless controllers won't work). If you're set on wireless, you can get the PC wireless base station too (like $40), but the USB one works fine and doesn't require batteries.

As far as what to do: You can hop over to another city by hoofin' it, and do their battlecraft leves. Your leves will reset after 36 hours, supposedly, so you can go back and do your home-city leves, and then any others. Doing leves in another city is tedious for the first time, but later on you can Teleport there to do them, so it just becomes a question of managing Anima.

If you don't wanna do that, you can always grind! The FF way! ;)

Once you hit 10, you'll have more leves and quests available (likely at your class' guild). Keep exploring :D
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