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Quick AD question...

Postby Phonic » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:46 pm

I was under the impression that when AD procs, we get the debuff and no longer have the 20% damage reduction under 35%. A guildie told me that was changed in 3.2.2 so that even when we have the AD debuff, we're still getting damage reduction?

Can someone please clarify? Thanks.
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Re: Quick AD question...

Postby lythac » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:52 pm

I will venture into the Molten Core (or some other place where there are mobs that hit for roughly the same amount and hit for sizeable chunks) to confirm. I posted 7 minutes ago under the assumption that when it procs we no longer get the damage reduction.
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Re: Quick AD question...

Postby lythac » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:03 pm

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Lythac's Hand of Reckoning dissipates from Chillmaw.
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 1214 Physical.
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 1332 Physical.
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 1135 Physical.
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 1303 Physical.
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 915 Fire.(95 Absorbed)
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 808 Fire.(202 Absorbed)
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 810 Fire.(202 Absorbed)
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 903 Physical.(225 Absorbed)
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 821 Physical.(205 Absorbed)
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 808 Fire.(202 Absorbed)
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 895 Physical.(223 Absorbed)
Lythac gains Lythac's Redoubt.
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 916 Physical.(229 Absorbed)
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 827 Fire.(206 Absorbed)
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 800 Fire.(199 Absorbed)
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 964 Physical.(240 Absorbed)
Lythac's Redoubt is refreshed on Lythac.
Chillmaw's attack misses Lythac.
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 944 Physical.(235 Absorbed)
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 804 Fire.(201 Absorbed)
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 773 Fire.(193 Absorbed)
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 903 Physical.(225 Absorbed)
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 796 Fire.(198 Absorbed)
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 1006 Physical.(251 Absorbed)
Chillmaw's attack misses Lythac.
Lythac's Redoubt fades from Lythac.
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 832 Fire.(207 Absorbed)
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 1025 Physical.(256 Absorbed)
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 832 Fire.(207 Absorbed)
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 790 Fire.(197 Absorbed)
Chillmaw's attack was absorbed by Lythac.(1318 Absorbed)
Lythac's Ardent Defender heals Lythac for 15066.
Lythac is afflicted by Lythac's Ardent Defender.
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 970 Physical.(242 Absorbed)
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 956 Physical.(238 Absorbed)
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 770 Fire.(192 Absorbed)
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 795 Fire.(198 Absorbed)
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 855 Fire.(213 Absorbed)
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 890 Physical.(222 Absorbed)
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 1008 Physical.(251 Absorbed)
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 973 Physical.(243 Absorbed)
Chillmaw's melee swing hits Lythac for 810 Physical.(202 Absorbed)
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 755 Fire.(188 Absorbed)
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 755 Fire.(188 Absorbed)
Cultist Bombardier's Throw Dynamite hits Lythac for 744 Fire.(185 Absorbed)
Chillmaw's attack misses Lythac.
Chillmaw's attack misses Lythac.


Where is that post of things that passed us by without realising :oops:
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Re: Quick AD question...

Postby theckhd » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:09 pm

Phonic wrote:I was under the impression that when AD procs, we get the debuff and no longer have the 20% damage reduction under 35%. A guildie told me that was changed in 3.2.2 so that even when we have the AD debuff, we're still getting damage reduction?

Can someone please clarify? Thanks.

Your guildie is correct, as Lythac's combat log shows. The debuff just limits the use of the Guardian Spirit-like part of AD.
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Re: Quick AD question...

Postby Gamingdevil » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:51 am

Did that part actually ever go live? I thought I was on the PTR for a while, but they scratched it.
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Re: Quick AD question...

Postby theckhd » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:58 am

Gamingdevil wrote:Did that part actually ever go live? I thought I was on the PTR for a while, but they scratched it.

No, I don't think the version where we lost the mitigation ever went live.
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Re: Quick AD question...

Postby Phonic » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:44 am

Thanks theck! One follow-up question... Does GS still get consumed before AD proccing?
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Re: Quick AD question...

Postby theckhd » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:47 pm

Phonic wrote:Thanks theck! One follow-up question... Does GS still get consumed before AD proccing?

As far as I'm aware, AD procs first. I haven't tested that myself though, nor have I heard anything about it recently.
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Re: Quick AD question...

Postby knaughty » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:32 pm

theckhd wrote:
Phonic wrote:Thanks theck! One follow-up question... Does GS still get consumed before AD proccing?

As far as I'm aware, AD procs first. I haven't tested that myself though, nor have I heard anything about it recently.

Annoyingly, AD procs first.

Haven't tested 3.3.5, was still that way in 3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3
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Re: Quick AD question...

Postby Marklevin » Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:33 am

Okay, I'm gonna use this thread since there's no reason to create a new one. Anyway, tonight in ICC we were doing Heroic Sindragosa and called a wipe, so we call grouped up and got iceblocked in an air phase. While in the iceblock I got the asphyxiation debuff that kills you, knowing AD would pop despite not having any heals. Once AD did pop, instead of being pushed up to 30%, I received a heal for close to 40% of my health. My hypothesis regarding this is that it's due to the Icecrown Buff, and if that is the case, it may gain from Divinity in a similar way. Also, if my observations were correct, it looks like it gained the effects of Improved Devotion Aura.

As a proof of concept for what I saw:

.3 (AD Heal) * 1.25 (Current ICC buff)= .375

.375(AD Heal post ICC buff) * 1.06 (Improved Devotion Aura)= .3975= A 39.75% heal, which is about what I was looking at tonight.

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but it seemed worth noting. That said, we're past the point where this would be beneficial to any content save someone with low gear attempting heroic Festergut heroic.
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Re: Quick AD question...

Postby badgermonkey » Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:14 am

I've noticed AD seeming to heal me for much more than the stated amount, but I'd put it down to recieving a heal at the same time.
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Re: Quick AD question...

Postby theckhd » Tue Jul 20, 2010 5:58 am

Do you have the pertinent line from the combat log mark? I know I was logging, but not live-logging. So if need be I can upload the combat log to WoL when I get home and we can take a look.
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Re: Quick AD question...

Postby hoho » Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:46 am

I wanted to help by finding out the cases from my raids for how much AD healed for but tbh I've got no clue what's going on with it half the time:

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/722u ... efender%22

Healing amounts seem rather weird, sometimes it's not even proccing at all, sometimes it's healing for way less than it should, other times more, sometimes the debuff it leaves gets refreshed.

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Focused on one AD proc in specific but I still can't see the numbers matching:
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http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/722uuba6uo4hbtcq/xe/?s=10080&e=10095&x=targetName%3D%22L%C3%ACly%22+or+spell%3D%22Ardent+Defender%22


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[22:35:40.003] Madxena Beacon of Light Lìly +0 (O: 25286)
[22:35:40.024] Lìly's Blessing of Light is refreshed by Lìly
[22:35:40.206] Lìly gains 15 mana from Solais's Replenishment
[22:35:41.009] Shambling Horror hits Lìly 20497 <- no absorb = no bubbles
[22:35:41.218] Shambling Horror hits Lìly 58941 (A: 2247) <- likely AD range absorbing
[22:35:41.219] Drudge Ghoul hits Lìly 2490 <- no clue what this is, it's definitely in AD range but why no absorb?
[22:35:41.369] Lìly gains 15 mana from Solais's Replenishment
[22:35:41.624] Lìly Ardent Defender Lìly +21545
[22:35:41.624] Lìly afflicted by Ardent Defender from Lìly
[22:35:41.659] Lìly Judgement of Light Lìly +2036
[22:35:42.401] Lìly gains 15 mana from Solais's Replenishment
[22:35:42.428] Lìly Judgement of Light Lìly +2036
[22:35:42.654] Lìly gains Redoubt from Lìly
[22:35:42.655] Shambling Horror Shockwave Lìly 19707 (A: 4869, B: 2232) <- absorb is probably due to being under AD range as any kind of shield should have been gone before the last drudge ghoul hit
[22:35:42.812] Madxena Beacon of Light Lìly +16930
[22:35:42.922] Lìly Judgement of Light Lìly +2036
[22:35:42.922] Lìly's Blessing of Light is refreshed by Lìly
[22:35:42.922] Lìly gains 156 mana from Lìly's Blessing of Sanctuary
[22:35:43.020] Lightningwav casts Riptide on Lìly
[22:35:43.105] Luapy casts Power Word: Shield on Lìly
[22:35:43.177] Lìly gains 847 mana from Lìly's Spiritual Attunement
[22:35:43.177] Bubblewings Divine Storm Lìly +2458
[22:35:43.192] Lìly gains Rejuvenation from Hoofslammer
[22:35:43.271] Lightningwav Riptide Lìly +*7831*
[22:35:43.272] Lìly gains Riptide from Lightningwav
[22:35:43.275] Luapy Glyph of Power Word: Shield Lìly +2647
[22:35:43.275] Lìly gains Power Word: Shield from Luapy
[22:35:43.578] Samasto casts Lay on Hands on Lìly
[22:35:43.688] Lìly's Blessing of Light is refreshed by Lìly
[22:35:43.693] Lìly gains 392 mana from Lìly's Spiritual Attunement
[22:35:43.697] Lìly gains 132 mana from Lìly's Spiritual Attunement
[22:35:43.718] Samasto Lay on Hands Lìly +37526 (O: 14527)

Damage taken pre-AD since last overheal: 81928 <- should be the paladn's HP
Effective healing pre-AD: 0

Damage taken after-AD and before next overheal: 19707
Healing taken after AD and before next overheal: 95045
Effective healing taken after AD and before next overheal: 75338 <- doesn't match

Why is there ~6.6k difference between healing needed from zero to OH before and after AD? Also that 2490 ghoul hit within AD range that had no absorb seems weird.

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Re: Quick AD question...

Postby Flex » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:25 am

hoho wrote:Healing amounts seem rather weird, sometimes it's not even proccing at all, sometimes it's healing for way less than it should, other times more, sometimes the debuff it leaves gets refreshed.


From how I understand the proc to work it functions as follows:

If an attack would kill you Ardent Defender completely absorbs that attack and procs the heal portion if applicable. The heal will then heal you for the difference between 30% of your health and the health you had when the killing blow landed. So If you have 100 health and you were at 10 health it would look like:

Boss melees You 11 Absorb
Your Ardent Defender Heals you for 20
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Re: Quick AD question...

Postby theckhd » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:17 am

That's my working understanding of it as well. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the heal were affected by Devo/Tree Aura and the ICC buff to healing either, as Mark surmises.
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