Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Io.Draco » Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:31 am

It is an interlude. It was meant to give more detail about the galaxy rather then set you against a strong foe, like Saren and Nazara were. It sets the stage for ME3.

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby ulushnar » Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:34 am

Io.Draco wrote:It is an interlude. It was meant to give more detail about the galaxy rather then set you against a strong foe, like Saren and Nazara were. It sets the stage for ME3.


Blah blah blah, I didn't pay 40 quid for an interlude, I paid it for a game. And it was a good game, apart from the final boss being a bit of a joke.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby mort » Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:48 am

ME1 is probably my favourite game of all time so this was somewhat of a disappointment to me. That being said, I still enjoyed this game and I got all the achievements after 4 playthroughs.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby ulushnar » Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:11 am

mort wrote:ME1 is probably my favourite game of all time so this was somewhat of a disappointment to me. That being said, I still enjoyed this game and I got all the achievements after 4 playthroughs.


I can understand that. For a sequel, it's a remarkably overhauled game. That said, I definately prefer the current game over the old one. Trying to manage your inventory with an Xbox controller was an exercise in tedium I'm in no hurry to repeat. The combat feels more like an action game this time round and less like a Bioware RPG pretending to be an action game. That said, it retains the strong writing and engaging characters you'd expect from the pedigree.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby rathe » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:24 am

So I'm guessing it's a bad idea to try to play ME2 without playing ME1?
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby ulushnar » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:45 am

rathe wrote:So I'm guessing it's a bad idea to try to play ME2 without playing ME1?


It's a fine idea. ME2 streamlines a lot of the clunkiness from ME1, at the expense of some of it's RPGness (inventory micromanagement went bye-bye in ME2 for instance)

If you played through ME1 and have a character who is over level 50, then you start at level 3. If you got a toon all the way to 60 (requiring two pretty thorough playthroughs with the same character) then you start at level 5. You also get bonus credits and resources. Also, the choices you made in the first game will affect some of the npcs you meet, and some of the messages you recieve in-game. It deepens the experience, but I'm not 100% sure it's needed.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Io.Draco » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:47 am

Well if you don't import a char then the council is dead by default ( not a big issue ) and Wrex is also dead. Still there are plenty of sites with save game files.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Arcand » Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:34 pm

ulushnar wrote:It's a fine idea. ME2 streamlines a lot of the clunkiness from ME1, at the expense of some of it's RPGness (inventory micromanagement went bye-bye in ME2 for instance)

If you played through ME1 and have a character who is over level 50, then you start at level 3. If you got a toon all the way to 60 (requiring two pretty thorough playthroughs with the same character) then you start at level 5. You also get bonus credits and resources. Also, the choices you made in the first game will affect some of the npcs you meet, and some of the messages you recieve in-game. It deepens the experience, but I'm not 100% sure it's needed.


Given that it's a three part story arc, think hard before skipping the first third. ME1, even with its loading elevators and inventory fuckery, was still a colossal hoot and completely stopped me playing WoW for the three days it took me to finish it. (I didn't mind the Mako but that might be because I'm an AFV geek.)
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Earantur » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:10 pm

ulushnar wrote:
rathe wrote:So I'm guessing it's a bad idea to try to play ME2 without playing ME1?


It's a fine idea. ME2 streamlines a lot of the clunkiness from ME1, at the expense of some of it's RPGness (inventory micromanagement went bye-bye in ME2 for instance)

If you played through ME1 and have a character who is over level 50, then you start at level 3. If you got a toon all the way to 60 (requiring two pretty thorough playthroughs with the same character) then you start at level 5. You also get bonus credits and resources. Also, the choices you made in the first game will affect some of the npcs you meet, and some of the messages you recieve in-game. It deepens the experience, but I'm not 100% sure it's needed.

I'm on my second play through of ME2, this time using my flatmates Paragon save rather than my previous Renegade save. I've found it's added a fair bit of extra depth to the game, though that's probably partially because I don't know every decision he had made.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Skwigelf » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:29 am

I cannot play a male renegade Shepard.

The voice actor screams "Square-jawed, clean shaven, handsome military man". Basically I picture Duke from G.I. Joe.

I cant be a dick to people with him sounding like some super-hero.

Female Shepard's voice acting is much more neutral. However, I can't nail Jack with her.

Also...

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby ulushnar » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:39 am

I'm about a third of the way through a Renegade playthrough following my Paragon run, and I actually think male Shepherd sounds his best when he's being a dick. There's a slightly sardonic quality to his delivery like: "I'm well aware of how many people I've killed to get here and why does this asshole in front of me think he's got a chance?"
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby rathe » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:50 am

Arcand wrote:Given that it's a three part story arc, think hard before skipping the first third. ME1, even with its loading elevators and inventory fuckery, was still a colossal hoot and completely stopped me playing WoW for the three days it took me to finish it. (I didn't mind the Mako but that might be because I'm an AFV geek.)

Thanks, it sounds like I'll at least want to experience the story of the first one since stories usually matter to me. Sometimes they don't relate at all, like FF or Star Ocean.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Io.Draco » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:08 am

ulushnar wrote:I'm about a third of the way through a Renegade playthrough following my Paragon run, and I actually think male Shepherd sounds his best when he's being a dick. There's a slightly sardonic quality to his delivery like: "I'm well aware of how many people I've killed to get here and why does this asshole in front of me think he's got a chance?"


Not just that, but in some cases of humor he is cool. A good example would be: "They were using a gunship to take down one guy?" Or the male Shepard speeches at the end compared to the female ones.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Arcand » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:29 am

Then again, some of the badass lines are more
fun in Jennifer Hale's voice. I'm thinking of
the spot where a Blue Sun mercenary is getting
pugnacious and she levels her hand cannon at
his face: "Go ahead, pull it out, big boy.
I'll betcha mine's bigger."

I don't normally like "I'm a girl with a gun,
hear me roar" lines, but the delivery was great.
Pretty sure she was smiling as she spoke.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Namaztak » Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:16 pm

Played through both games as renegade (up to the final choice anyways...) femshepard last week. (everyone but the useless normandy crew who dont count towards the achievement survived the suicide mission :D) Replaying both as paragon male shepard.

I really don't like male shepard's voice but I want to get things going with Tali in 2 since I failed at getting with Garrus on my first play.

Also I need to make sure Wrex and the council stay alive this time as well as having kaiden die instead of ashley. Unless I get too pissed at the god damn retarded AI squadmates of the first game dying like sheep every five seconds.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby crazyharry » Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:54 am

Namaztak wrote:Unless I get too pissed at the god damn retarded AI squadmates of the first game dying like sheep every five seconds.


I eventually just used to send them out in to the open to draw fire whilst I picked off the enemies. In ME2 though, it felt like they could quite easily complete the missions without me!
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Lumennon » Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:42 pm

I finished it three times by now... Now I'm waiting for Kasumi for the next playthroughs.

So yeah, awesome game. I loved ME1, but ME2 is way better, imho. Especially because you don't have to ram the damn Mako up all those pesky mountains... The Hammerhead SHOULD be more enjoyable - guess we'll know by the end of March.

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Vanifae » Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:31 pm

I think this game and series is amazing.

I even got a good non-gamer friend hooked on it.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Arcand » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:08 am

If I loved ME/ME2 to bits*, would I love Knights of the Old Republic?

I'm hooked pretty bad here. I need a Mass-Effect-like-game fix and I don't
know if it should be KOTOR or Dragon Age.

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Vanifae » Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:29 am

You may like Dragon Age ore than KotOR but KotOR is a fun game and inspired a lot of the cinematic focus for ME and ME2.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Io.Draco » Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:30 am

If I loved ME/ME2 to bits*, would I love Knights of the Old Republic?


You should know that much of the stuff in ME is based off Kotor. Take for example Kaiden, he IS Carth Onassi 2.0. Tali = Visas 2.0, Zaeed/Wrex/Grunt are versions of Canderous etc. etc.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby ulushnar » Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:36 am

The thing you won't like about the KotOR games or Dragon Age is that they're more RPG-like than even ME1 was. They don't have even ME1's rudimentary nod to action gaming. They're turn-based "under the hood" which means things go off at strict time intervals, not unlike WoW.

Still they're a lot of fun, and Bioware seem incapable of writing a bad story for any game they make. I especially reccomend spending some time chatting to HK-47 in KotOR 1.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Arcand » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:02 am

I picked up Dragon Age last night. Think of it as Mass Effect methadone.

I installed it but didn't touch it yet, because I have a four hour
highway night drive in my future and Bioware is not good for my
sleep schedule. :)
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Dorvan » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:12 am

ulushnar wrote:The thing you won't like about the KotOR games or Dragon Age is that they're more RPG-like than even ME1 was. They don't have even ME1's rudimentary nod to action gaming. They're turn-based "under the hood" which means things go off at strict time intervals, not unlike WoW.


I don't think I'm following...in what way is the combat system in WoW or Dragon Age "turn-based"? Certainly not any more than ME1 (I haven't played ME2 yet). Where they definitely *are* more RPGish (especially DA:O) is in the equipment/stats/character leveling part of the game.

Still they're a lot of fun, and Bioware seem incapable of writing a bad story for any game they make. I especially reccomend spending some time chatting to HK-47 in KotOR 1.


Of course, for lots of us the more RPGish nature of Bioware's other games isn't a detractor, it's a feature!
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Vanifae » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:55 am

I KNOW YOU FEEL THIS SHEPARD!
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