Red, Agi or str?

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Red, Agi or str?

Postby Delphineas » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:19 pm

Granted, sticky says agi always.

However, My guild is a 10 man guild. People aren't motivated enough to show up for 25 mans. Typically, my runs I get to go in have no disc priest, nor do we use drums of kings.
Edit:I am the lone paladin.

Thus, my question is this:Assuming sanct and no kings, how close are the benefits of agility Vs Strength?
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Re: Red, Agi or str?

Postby blakk » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:42 pm

agility gives armor, dodge, and crit
strength gives block value, ap, sp(through talents)

for threat, strength
for eh, agility
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Re: Red, Agi or str?

Postby bashef » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:17 am

Even in a 10 man, leatherworkers can do Drums of Forgotten Kings for 8% stats. Do you not have a leatherworker in your 10 mans either? Assuming you do, the benefits of the Agi/stam gem are almost identical to posting.

In any case, regardless of which buffs are available, agility and strength provide fundamentally different stats. Strength is almost entirely threat (tiny benefit to block value) whereas agi is a survivability gem, combining a little armour and a fair amount of dodge. Put strength gems in threat gear (if you have it), agi in everything else.
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Re: Red, Agi or str?

Postby lythac » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:37 am

You don't have to be a LW to use drums. Each charge costs around 60-70 silver if you buy mats from AH.

Edit - not sure if BoS still overwrites it.
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Re: Red, Agi or str?

Postby Yelena » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:18 pm

Sanctuary and Drums of Forgotten Kings stack. The stamina/strength from Sanctuary takes precedence over the drums, but the remaining stat multiplication from the drums works just fine with Sanct also buffed.
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Re: Red, Agi or str?

Postby Gamingdevil » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:25 pm

Yelena wrote:Sanctuary and Drums of Forgotten Kings stack. The stamina/strength from Sanctuary takes precedence over the drums, but the remaining stat multiplication from the drums works just fine with Sanct also buffed.


Lies, I lose stamina with drums up.
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Re: Red, Agi or str?

Postby bldavis » Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:52 pm

Gamingdevil wrote:
Yelena wrote:Sanctuary and Drums of Forgotten Kings stack. The stamina/strength from Sanctuary takes precedence over the drums, but the remaining stat multiplication from the drums works just fine with Sanct also buffed.


Lies, I lose stamina with drums up.


thats why you do sanc and then drums
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Re: Red, Agi or str?

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:25 pm

You still lsoe the stam that way. It's always been like that, Drums overwrites Sanc.
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Re: Red, Agi or str?

Postby Yelena » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:44 pm

I hadn't noticed honestly. But then again the only times I've been in a raid that resorted to using drums was for Herald of the Titans and Dedicated Insanity, in both cases I'm wearing very different sets of gear than my normal set.

Either way, if people feel that 2% stamina is going to be the make or break point between a kill and a horrible/painful/pathetic/amusing wipe, click the drums off. :P
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Re: Red, Agi or str?

Postby Enkal » Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:52 am

KysenMurrin wrote:You still lsoe the stam that way. It's always been like that, Drums overwrites Sanc.


I only noticed the stamina loss if I'm the one using the drum, if someone else does the drum and I do sanct I keep it.
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Re: Red, Agi or str?

Postby Ironhaart » Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:57 am

Enkal wrote:
KysenMurrin wrote:You still lsoe the stam that way. It's always been like that, Drums overwrites Sanc.


I only noticed the stamina loss if I'm the one using the drum, if someone else does the drum and I do sanct I keep it.


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Re: Red, Agi or str?

Postby Diocaska » Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:01 am

While all content is still not on farm, I'd say Agility, for the dodge and armour component.

When all content is on farm, I'd say Strength, for the threat component.

Thought it'd be more worthwhile having multiple sets, and using Agility in your EH set, and Strength in your threat pieces.
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Re: Red, Agi or str?

Postby Kelaan » Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:31 am

bashef wrote:Even in a 10 man, leatherworkers can do Drums of Forgotten Kings for 8% stats. Do you not have a leatherworker in your 10 mans either? Assuming you do, the benefits of the Agi/stam gem are almost identical to posting.


Kings is pretty negligible versus Sanctuary.

I have ~221 agility in my tanking gear, using an agility-based threat weapon. Raid buffed I might get to 300. Kings would give me 30 agility: It's a bit of threat, a small amount of dodge, and about 60 extra armor.

Sure, every bit helps. But 60 armor out of 32k is pretty small. Having it is better than not, but I doubt you're going to ever notice it. Assume you won't get kings, and base your planning on that. (You can give Kings to the raid, and let totems / battle shout cover the other buffs.)

Gemming for agility is almost as good, threat-wise, as str, and is also better than dodge for damage reduction. Gem str if you need threat, agi if you don't.
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Re: Red, Agi or str?

Postby blakk » Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:42 pm

Kelaan wrote:
bashef wrote:Even in a 10 man, leatherworkers can do Drums of Forgotten Kings for 8% stats. Do you not have a leatherworker in your 10 mans either? Assuming you do, the benefits of the Agi/stam gem are almost identical to posting.


Kings is pretty negligible versus Sanctuary.

I have ~221 agility in my tanking gear, using an agility-based threat weapon. Raid buffed I might get to 300. Kings would give me 30 agility: It's a bit of threat, a small amount of dodge, and about 60 extra armor.

Sure, every bit helps. But 60 armor out of 32k is pretty small. Having it is better than not, but I doubt you're going to ever notice it. Assume you won't get kings, and base your planning on that. (You can give Kings to the raid, and let totems / battle shout cover the other buffs.)

Gemming for agility is almost as good, threat-wise, as str, and is also better than dodge for damage reduction. Gem str if you need threat, agi if you don't.

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Re: Red, Agi or str?

Postby Awyndel » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:02 am

Tbh, if I wasn't at the expertise soft cap, I would be putting exp/stam in my red socket for the meta. It's more threat then str at that point, and potentially avoidance.
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