Comprehensive List of Bosses With Parry Haste Enabled

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Re: Comprehensive List of Bosses With Parry Haste Enabled

Postby Chicken » Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:41 pm

Rhiannon wrote:Yes, it's that minor detail that transformed expertise from being a mediocre stat to a fairly strong one when seal of vengeance became the tanking seal of choice.
Well it actually came with Seal of Vengeance being changed to it's current form, in the initial incarnation where the seal procs damage had trouble breaking the double digits it was considered a purely magical attack and couldn't be dodged or parried. When they retooled it while removing Seal of Blood they added the capability of it being dodged and parried, at which point it made it so each our melee swings effectively has two separate chances to get parried (Though since if the initial white hit fails to connect the seal proc can't occur that isn't as bad as it sounds), which definitely made expertise a lot better.
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Re: Comprehensive List of Bosses With Parry Haste Enabled

Postby Faladrath » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:34 pm

So we know so far marrowgar and the professor doesn't have parry haste enabled. More info on the other bosses would be nice to see if expertise is something to weight in at all or leave. Thinking festergut primarily as I imagine him being the biggest tank check on heroic.
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Re: Comprehensive List of Bosses With Parry Haste Enabled

Postby Cliffton » Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:27 pm

I recently posted 'ere
http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/forum/index.php?f=6&t=27653&p=537153&rb_v=viewtopic#p537153

but maybe this thread would have been more appropriate. I made a tool that could be used to identify parry-hasting bosses more easily and that tool could use someone to independently say it works correctly, but the bottom line from my analysis is that ICC10 bosses up through Lana'thel don't parry haste, except Deathwhisper and *maybe* Marrowgar but I didn't rule him out confidently.
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Re: Comprehensive List of Bosses With Parry Haste Enabled

Postby theckhd » Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:35 am

I've PM-ed Jerey to see if he wants to continue maintaining this thread. If not I'll take it over (or close it and start a new one), and keep it updated using Cliffton's parsing code.
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Re: Comprehensive List of Bosses With Parry Haste Enabled

Postby Jerey-Darkspear » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:48 am

Sorry, I hadn't checked here in a while. Didn't realize new posts had popped up. Feel free to close this thread and remake.

Personally, I have yet to encounter a fight where parry hasting has concerned me. Maybe it's the armor pieces I wear on most bosses, but physical damage has been the least of my worries. We haven't gotten BQL or any of the new wing yet, but neither case is due to tank death.
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Re: Comprehensive List of Bosses With Parry Haste Enabled

Postby gmf1 » Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:37 pm

I don't know how accurate the parry haste addon that was posted is but I ran it on mar 25 and got dc'd with the amount of hastes it was detecting :) Would really like this list updated for ICC, so can anyone confirm if the addon works? If so I'll see if i can use it more.
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Re: Comprehensive List of Bosses With Parry Haste Enabled

Postby Varuk » Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:12 pm

It's probably assuming a 2.4s swing speed, and indicating that each swing faster than that was parry-haste. Given that only a couple bosses in ICC have that swing speed, it's not surprising that it'd DC you from spam -- it'd think that every single swing of Saurfang's was parry-haste because of his 1.2s swing speed, for example.
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Re: Comprehensive List of Bosses With Parry Haste Enabled

Postby Fridmarr » Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:02 pm

I really doubt that is the case. I'd expect the addon to just look at swings when no parry occurs and compare that to a swing when a parry does occur. I've not looked at the code or anything, but I'd be really surprised if it was just comparing to a hardcoded value.
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Re: Comprehensive List of Bosses With Parry Haste Enabled

Postby Tbdsamman » Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:23 pm

If you are talking about my addon at http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/parry-hasting/, then I can tell you I've never had it disconnect. And as for accuacy, it will never have false positives (attack speed comes from the WoW API) but it will have false negatives until a complete database is built (excluding abnormal times where tanks move).
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Re: Comprehensive List of Bosses With Parry Haste Enabled

Postby Soranthalas » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:47 pm

I wanted to help contribute to the knowledge pool on this. Since Marrowgar and the Prof are settled, I've got some data for Lady Deathwhisper. In reviewing our logs, I've included interrupts and parry/other misses targeting LD. Below is a section of about 7 consecutive attacks on me.
[19:38:15.633] Lady Deathwhisper hits Soranthalas 8473 (B: 1929)
[19:38:18.049] Lady Deathwhisper hits Soranthalas Parry
[19:38:22.082] Lady Deathwhisper hits Soranthalas Parry
[19:38:24.472] Lady Deathwhisper hits Soranthalas Parry
[19:38:25.256] Lady Deathwhisper hits Soranthalas 71 (A: 10411, B: 1929)
[19:38:29.439] Lady Deathwhisper hits Soranthalas Dodge
[19:38:30.929] Lady Deathwhisper hits Soranthalas 8412 (A: 2582, B: 1929)


The time between swings are: 2.416, 4.033, 2.390, 0.784, 4.183, 1.490. Both 4s+ times are explained by a cast starting and being interrupted. The swing times from the interrupt to the next hit were 2.68 and 3.04.

The first uninterrupted swing takes 2.416 seconds with a late parry (1.799 sec into the swing):
[19:38:15.630] Soranthalas Holy Vengeance Lady Deathwhisper Parry
[19:38:15.633] Lady Deathwhisper hits Soranthalas 8473 (B: 1929)
[19:38:15.908] Talirrine Blade Twisting Lady Deathwhisper Immune
[19:38:16.245] Izellah hits Lady Deathwhisper Miss
[19:38:17.432] Talirrine hits Lady Deathwhisper Parry
[19:38:18.049] Lady Deathwhisper hits Soranthalas Parry



Second swing takes 2.390 with no parry:
[19:38:22.082] Lady Deathwhisper hits Soranthalas Parry
[19:38:22.340] Talirrine hits Lady Deathwhisper Dodge
[19:38:23.136] Talirrine hits Lady Deathwhisper Dodge
[19:38:23.877] Romuhn hits Lady Deathwhisper Miss
[19:38:24.120] Izellah hits Lady Deathwhisper Miss
[19:38:24.171] Talirrine hits Lady Deathwhisper Miss
[19:38:24.379] Talirrine Blade Twisting Lady Deathwhisper Immune
[19:38:24.472] Lady Deathwhisper hits Soranthalas Parry
[19:38:24.472] Soranthalas Holy Vengeance Lady Deathwhisper Parry


Third swing is very fast (0.784s) with 2 parries early (0.357s):
[19:38:24.472] Lady Deathwhisper hits Soranthalas Parry
[19:38:24.472] Soranthalas Holy Vengeance Lady Deathwhisper Parry
[19:38:24.624] Izellah hits Lady Deathwhisper Miss
[19:38:24.829] Zaan Maul Lady Deathwhisper Parry
[19:38:25.159] Talirrine Blade Twisting Lady Deathwhisper Immune
[19:38:25.255] Talirrine hits Lady Deathwhisper Parry
[19:38:25.256] Lady Deathwhisper hits Soranthalas 71 (A: 10411, B: 1929)


The last swing in this set is 1.490s with 2 parries, one very early (0.113s):
[19:38:29.439] Lady Deathwhisper hits Soranthalas Dodge
[19:38:29.552] Soranthalas hits Lady Deathwhisper Parry
[19:38:30.182] Talirrine Blade Twisting Lady Deathwhisper Immune
[19:38:30.194] Lady Deathwhisper Death and Decay Daphne Absorb (2585)
[19:38:30.601] Soranthalas Holy Vengeance Lady Deathwhisper Parry
[19:38:30.929] Lady Deathwhisper hits Soranthalas 8412 (A: 2582, B: 1929)


I could post more data if you like. It seems the swing timer is 2.4 with no parries/interrupts, and I can find other instances of that. The data suggests parry hasting to me, but number of casts drops the number of melee attacks and thus the real effectiveness of expertise.
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Re: Comprehensive List of Bosses With Parry Haste Enabled

Postby theckhd » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:37 am

Thanks Soranthalas.

I was hoping to do some fancy moderator voodoo and merge this thread with a new post by me, but I can't seem to do that (it auto-merges by post date and time, apparently). So I'm going to close this thread and start a new one to make it easier for me to maintain.
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