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Vindication???

Postby Mcduffie » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:23 pm

Quick question, probably already answered before (hopefully). I was wondering what the numbers were on vindication. Anyone?
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Re: Vindication???

Postby Grehn|Skipjack » Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:32 pm

By "numbers" I can only assume you mean how effective is it at reducing a boss's incoming damage. Unfortunately, the only answer I can give you is "a lot". It varies wildly from boss to boss.
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Re: Vindication???

Postby Snake-Aes » Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:11 am

By "a lot", he meant "a lot indeed". Special attacks take an even greater hit, so vindication REALLY helps where it matters the most.
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Re: Vindication???

Postby Levantine » Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:25 am

Take it or don't raid as Protection, to be blunt.
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Re: Vindication???

Postby Mcduffie » Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:16 pm

Levantine wrote:Take it or don't raid as Protection, to be blunt.


Right, and I'm not questioning the power of vindication. However, I've seen a few of my guild's pallies without it. And I was wondering if there were any numbers released on any of the endgame bosses right now.
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Re: Vindication???

Postby Fridmarr » Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:19 pm

Mcduffie wrote:
Levantine wrote:Take it or don't raid as Protection, to be blunt.


Right, and I'm not questioning the power of vindication. However, I've seen a few of my guild's pallies without it. And I was wondering if there were any numbers released on any of the endgame bosses right now.

Specific numbers for the current ICC bosses, not that I know of. Vindication is basically a copy of Demoralizing Shout, so you might find some data on other tanking forums looking it up with that name.
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Re: Vindication???

Postby Awyndel » Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:55 pm

It removes all of the boss' attack power. Last estimates I saw where around 20% less damage from melee, and various numbers up to 50% for special moves. Other ppl can fail or die or be on other targets, so you need to do this one yourself, because you can.
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Re: Vindication???

Postby Mcduffie » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:26 pm

Awyndel wrote:It removes all of the boss' attack power. Last estimates I saw where around 20% less damage from melee, and various numbers up to 50% for special moves. Other ppl can fail or die or be on other targets, so you need to do this one yourself, because you can.


Last estimates, where is they?
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Re: Vindication???

Postby Mcduffie » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:10 am

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Re: Vindication???

Postby amh » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:53 pm

Not to mention it costs two points for paladins vs five points for druids / warriors (to reach the same effect), and is applied automatically.
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Re: Vindication???

Postby Sir_Onion » Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:26 am

For most mobs, attack power is about 30% of total damage; bosses have higher multiplier than trash mobs. That means -attack power debuffs have significant effect on raid mobs. Some tests suggest Improved Demoralizing Shout could reduce the damage taken from a level 60 mob by 25%. Thus Curse of Recklessness will increase the damage done of affected mob drastically. The -AP debuff is capped at -30% total damage effect, as the formula suggests.


Went ahead and nabbed that from a post in theck's thread, that was a link to WoWhead.

Your boss does less damage per attack, you are a better tank for it. Just like when your boss attacks for -20% less speed, you are a a better tank for it. One of the most important roles for a tank is to reduce the incoming damage you take, vindication is one of the best ways to do this.

As for those tanks who -don't- take vindication. They are doing it wrong.
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