The dispute over Gormok's Impale Bleed

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The dispute over Gormok's Impale Bleed

Postby Zothor » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:49 pm

I've seen it posted different ways, almost invariably without support, on this forum, on Tankspot, all over official forums, on all the strat sites, and nobody seems to agree or have a screenshot or a log to support it.

Is Gormok's bleed mitigated by Armor or not? Lots of people are saying it isn't, Wowwiki definitively says it is, and I've read in several places that people recommend the Glyph of Indomitability for this fight because it reduces the incoming impale damage. I doubt they are talking about just the strike.

I'm sure this is answered somewhere but I can't seem to find it searching around :-\ Thanks in advance to anyone who can clear this up once and for all.
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Re: The dispute over Gormok's Impale Bleed

Postby Meloree » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:10 pm

I looked over a log from a month ago, and the log from last week. My armor is roughly 2500 higher now than it was then. There didn't seem to be a significant delta in bleed damage, but there was an extremely noticeable delta in impale application damage. I'm leaning towards "armor doesn't affect the bleed".
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Re: The dispute over Gormok's Impale Bleed

Postby Dassandic » Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:38 pm

Hand of Protection removes it and our feral druid take less damage from both dot and direct so it is physical damage that can be mitigated.
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=67479
http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/ability/8727159/67479/Impale
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Re: The dispute over Gormok's Impale Bleed

Postby Rhiannon » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:31 am

Hand of Protection removes all bleeds, that has no bearing on whether armor mitigates its damage and is entirely irrelevant.

The summary of incoming damage you posted is also irrelevant - your feral only took 10 impales compared to 19 for one of the paladins, so was going to be taking smaller impale ticks/stacks anyway :|.
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Re: The dispute over Gormok's Impale Bleed

Postby Snake-Aes » Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:10 am

This is a bleed like any other. Armor matters little. The impale attack can and will be mitigated by armor, but the bleed won't. Any reductions to bleed damage fall under whatever overall %DR tanks have, like Improved Righteous Fury or Protector of the Pack
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Re: The dispute over Gormok's Impale Bleed

Postby lythac » Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:50 am

I was involved in a trinket discussion on the official forums today and whether the bleed from Impale and Staggering Stomp were affected by armor (neither are).

Impale

Here is Impale on wowhead - http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=67479

"Inflicts 150% of weapon damage to an enemy and causes it to bleed for 3938 to 5062 damage per application every 2 sec. for 45 sec."

From the same log - http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/9MtH ... 784&e=1022

To see the Impales under the query builder you need to remove the query "show all events". "Add query" and under spell type "Imaple". You should now see this -

[19:50:14.046] Gormok the Impaler casts Impale on Leetzauce
[19:50:14.234] Gormok the Impaler Impale Leetzauce 11324 (A: 3864)
[19:50:14.234] Leetzauce afflicted by Impale from Gormok the Impaler
[19:50:16.250] Gormok the Impaler Impale Leetzauce 3696
[19:50:18.343] Gormok the Impaler Impale Leetzauce 3696
[19:50:20.328] Gormok the Impaler Impale Leetzauce Absorb
[19:50:22.296] Gormok the Impaler Impale Leetzauce 3696
[19:50:24.234] Gormok the Impaler Impale Leetzauce 3696



This is from the begining of the fight and is with a single dot. Shows the bleed is not affected by armor.


Staggering Stomp

Here is Staggering Stomp on wowhead (25 Heroic Version) - http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=67649

"Deals a staggering stomp that inflicts 11700 to 12300 Physical damage to all enemies within 15 yards and interrupts spellcasting for 8 seconds."


This is a 25 man Heroic WorldofLogs parse for Gormok - http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/9MtH ... 784&e=1022

To see the Staggering Stomps under the query builder you need to remove the query "show all events". "Add query" and under spell type "Staggering Stomp". You should now see the hits -

[19:50:21.015] Gormok the Impaler Staggering Stomp Silentroots 8251
[19:50:21.015] Gormok the Impaler Staggering Stomp Bigwoo 4088 (A: 7585)
[19:50:21.015] Gormok the Impaler Staggering Stomp Emberztrike 3914 (A: 7509)
[19:50:21.031] Gormok the Impaler Staggering Stomp Braindamage 4301 (A: 7547)
[19:50:21.031] Gormok the Impaler Staggering Stomp Leetzauce 2703 (A: 6708)
[19:50:21.031] Gormok the Impaler Staggering Stomp Tangible 2669 (A: 7661)


So we can say Staggering Stomp is definitely not affected by armor.


The (A) is absorbs which may not be readily apparent.

Bigwoo (Rogue) - 11,673
Emberztrike (Paladin) - 11,423
Braindamage (Warrior) - 11,848
Leetzauce (Feral Tank) - 9,411

Lets throw in the first Bloodworn to die.

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Re: The dispute over Gormok's Impale Bleed

Postby Belloc » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:17 pm

All I see for the bleed in your post is a single application of the bleed during a single attempt. I am not able to look at any links, but the information contained in your post proves... nothing. Instead, you should've posted a parse of the bleed using two different armor values (such as a tank using both stamina trinkets on one attempt and then the same tank using the armor trinket on another attempt).

As it is, unless I am hugely mistaken, I'm not seeing how your post proves or disproves anything.
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Re: The dispute over Gormok's Impale Bleed

Postby lythac » Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:19 pm

This also came up on the thread.

The unmitigated bleed ticks for 3938 to 5062 (from the wowhead spell link). A single dot is ticking for 3696 damage. If the bleed was affected by armor it would be down in the 2k region. It doesn't fall in the wowhead damage range as it is affected by talents.

Unless I made a big mistake somewhere.
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Re: The dispute over Gormok's Impale Bleed

Postby Belloc » Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:50 pm

Yeah, I wasn't saying that you were incorrect... just that the data was isolated and had nothing to compare to.
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Re: The dispute over Gormok's Impale Bleed

Postby semp » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:20 am

As a bear tank, i Havent noticed any noticeable increase in bleed damage when i shift from bear form to cat form while the bleed is ticking, and/or it hasn't caused my healers to say anything about having to heal more. When I get home from work, I will try to dig up some WWS from our kill this week.

typically I cat form dps Gormok whenever im not tanking to help push us into P2.
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