[25 Heroic] Anub'arak

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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Lisson » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:23 am

Kram, i looked at your set, and upon building it nearly the same... i dont see where u have ur numbers on ur block rating. im getting 32% block, a full 18% lower than u AND i was using lavanthors over corens coin. there somethin im missing?

i changed ur belt to the block belt from razorscale (name slips my mind). i dont have ur neck/twin valkyr ring and t9 legs. other than that, i have what ur using
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Korbah » Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:24 am

I can't seem to reproduce a set that actually has full avoidance for a 82 mob either.
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby kram » Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:30 am

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45842 instead of tier9 legs and
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45228 over tier8 gloves

I left holy shield on by mistake for the last set, I don't think you're going to be able to get above 90-95% buffed (use agi and def elixir) with out dropping way too much BV
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Treck » Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:39 am

Correct me if im wrong, but i thought the main stat would be Block rating, not block value.
If a hit comes through unblocked it will hit for shitloads, If one comes through blocked but with a small ammount, its not gonna do that much dmg. i think 100% chance to avoid/block the hit with maybe a 2k bv would be better than 80% to avoid/block with 4k BV.
So id say dropping BV for BR (or avoidance ofc, uncrushability as it used to be called) is prolly worth it.
Besides, your Holy shield charges would prolly be eaten up in an instant.
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby kram » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:33 pm

I wouldn't drop below 3k BV after buffs & libram proc. Even that is somewhat low.
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Fridmarr » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:40 pm

kram wrote:I wouldn't drop below 3k BV after buffs & libram proc. Even that is somewhat low.

It depends though, if getting above 3k costs you the block rating to get passively unhittable, then it's probably not worth it.

Any damage you can take off of the hit with block is 3x as powerful as it normally would be, so making sure you block at all, is a very high priority. The difference in the maximum burst size if you are block capped versus not being block capped, is pretty staggering.
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Lisson » Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:50 pm

even without caring about BV, i still cant hit above 90% raid buffed.

i even started to use some lower level items to help push it, like figurine of the colossus from shattered halls for the BR on it...

also, rocking 0 hit in that gear, that going to matter?
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Aubade » Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:15 pm

Lisson wrote:even without caring about BV, i still cant hit above 90% raid buffed.

i even started to use some lower level items to help push it, like figurine of the colossus from shattered halls for the BR on it...

also, rocking 0 hit in that gear, that going to matter?



Gem all defense, +15 BR on shield, Its doable trust me.
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Lisson » Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:29 pm

Aubade wrote:
Lisson wrote:even without caring about BV, i still cant hit above 90% raid buffed.

i even started to use some lower level items to help push it, like figurine of the colossus from shattered halls for the BR on it...

also, rocking 0 hit in that gear, that going to matter?



Gem all defense, +15 BR on shield, Its doable trust me.


hmm, thats a lot of health lost tho... ill try it out and figure it out
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Treck » Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:50 pm

If you can manage to reach passive "uncrushability" you dont need much health past that :P
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby wingman » Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:02 pm

Lisson wrote:
Aubade wrote:
Lisson wrote:even without caring about BV, i still cant hit above 90% raid buffed.

i even started to use some lower level items to help push it, like figurine of the colossus from shattered halls for the BR on it...

also, rocking 0 hit in that gear, that going to matter?



Gem all defense, +15 BR on shield, Its doable trust me.


hmm, thats a lot of health lost tho... ill try it out and figure it out


Look at Premonition's video of their kill from their prot warrior's (Xav) point of view. He has like 35k health fully raid buffed. Health isn't that crucial if you're tanking all the adds as long as you can block all their attacks.

By the way, Awbade, can anyone in FL do 15BR to shield?
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Fridmarr » Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:16 pm

Well the EH gain is like 3 * BV * 4mobs. So if your BV is 3K, then you have gained 36,000 EH on one cycle of hits by getting unhittable.

If the mobs are hitting for 4k pre modifier and you block all attacks, then the biggest 4 hit cycle does 12,000 damage. If you are not block capped then the biggest 4 hit cycle does 48,000 damage. This is why the encounter is likely to be changed, since that is obviously a massive advantage for the shield tanks.
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby kram » Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:04 pm

The amount of HP lost for uncrushable is going to matter if you have to drop down to 2k buffed BV. At 2k BV you're going to be taking upwards of 8k per hit from each mob and with all four grouped together they have something like a .5-.6sec swing speed.
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Aubade » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:32 pm

Well, in my gearset i'm looking at around 3.5k Buffed BV (With libram) and Full unhittable.

that's about what 1k per hit? 4k on a full round of hits worst-case scenario? Excuse me if my napkin math is way off (which i assume it is) either way it's not going to be more than 12k between 4 mobs which isn't bad.

+ THe lower health pool is actually optimal for P3. Less health = Less healing to boss and less Swarm damage to tank
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Joanadark » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:19 am

hmm, thats a lot of health lost tho... ill try it out and figure it out


Consider also, Leeching Swarm
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