What Consumables to Use While Tanking [severely outdated]
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Re: What Consumables to Use While Tanking
Both are very popular choices.
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Re: What Consumables to Use While Tanking
Zoltar wrote:Given things hit so hard in Ulduar and tanks are focusing more on avoidance rather than BV is anyone using agility food rather than strength food. With crusade spec threat is really a non issue for me so was wondering if I would be better off switching from strength food to agility food for the added survivability? Thoughts.
I switched to agility food my second week into Ulduar. This is also about the time I started switching to agility gems (versus dodge) and enchants (gloves and weapon.) So yeah, for me, agility was the way to go.
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Re: What Consumables to Use While Tanking
Ok here we go, on enrage timers without survival problems:
potion of speed after bloodlust, or potion of wild magic during bloodlust?
Or some other combination hehe, open to suggestions.
potion of speed after bloodlust, or potion of wild magic during bloodlust?
Or some other combination hehe, open to suggestions.
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Re: What Consumables to Use While Tanking
Awyndel wrote:Ok here we go, on enrage timers without survival problems:
potion of speed after bloodlust, or potion of wild magic during bloodlust?
Or some other combination hehe, open to suggestions.
There's some math somewhere that shows speed is better than wild magic, IIRC. I'll see if I can find it.
edit: here-ish
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20823&p=466379#p466379
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Re: What Consumables to Use While Tanking
Yes this compared the 2 potions with each others, but not during bloodlust. If the speedpotion caps haste during bl then wild magic could win. Was wondering this for prot and ret actually.
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Re: What Consumables to Use While Tanking
Blood lust effectively affects only melee and SoV strikes. It's an overall 13.8% increase in damage scalars (per strike damage not dps) for those two abilities. This leads to cirt being 13.8% more effective under the affects of bloodlust. Now interestingly enough, the changes in our scaling and threat in 3.2 leads to both potion being neck and neck for threat, with me being unable to call a winner without more exact numbers and even then gear differences might mess that up. But for dps, which is what you asked, the haste potion crushes the spell/crit one. The haste potion is ~30% more effective for dps which is unlikely to be unseated by uncertainties in the numbers used.
These results are drawn from theck's 3.2 work and will change some in 3.2.2
remember that outside of bloodlust, the haste potion will beat the spell/crit in both dps and tps.
These results are drawn from theck's 3.2 work and will change some in 3.2.2
remember that outside of bloodlust, the haste potion will beat the spell/crit in both dps and tps.
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Re: What Consumables to Use While Tanking
Alright thnx, I'll use haste for dps when we have enrage issues.
Does anybody have those numbers for ret? EJ seems somewhat divided on that issue.
Does anybody have those numbers for ret? EJ seems somewhat divided on that issue.
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Re: What Consumables to Use While Tanking
Haste should crush for ret. Did last time.
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Re: What Consumables to Use While Tanking
And I was wondering, actually for both prot and ret, what would give a bigger overal damage increase, using the haste potion during the bloodlust, or outside of it? Or is it equal?
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Re: What Consumables to Use While Tanking
On average there is no difference to using a haste potion in or outside of Bloodlust for melee. Now if there is some movement involved it would get trickier but overall you can rest easy knowing haste doesn't scale with itself.
Now please keep in mind that for casters it is possible to get too much haste, where they are casting channeled spells faster than the minimum GCD of 1 second.
Now please keep in mind that for casters it is possible to get too much haste, where they are casting channeled spells faster than the minimum GCD of 1 second.
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Re: What Consumables to Use While Tanking
insane strength pot imo
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Re: What Consumables to Use While Tanking
steadypal wrote:insane strength pot imo
Despite excellent scaling on str, the insane str potion performs poorly. For threat, a haste potion is comparable but for dps, the haste potion still wins. Additionally, there is the issue of its components being rare and being unsafe to use while tanking (which defeats the threat use).
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Re: What Consumables to Use While Tanking
Hey,
I'm looking at the stickies and determining what to prune for Cataclysm.
Please advise if you want to...
a) Keep this thread, and update it for Cata,
b) Dump this thread and start a fresh one for Cata, or
c) Dump this thread.
I'm looking at the stickies and determining what to prune for Cataclysm.
Please advise if you want to...
a) Keep this thread, and update it for Cata,
b) Dump this thread and start a fresh one for Cata, or
c) Dump this thread.
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Re: What Consumables to Use While Tanking
B or C depending on what our new options for consumables are. Not much to copy and paste here.
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Re: What Consumables to Use While Tanking [severely outdated]
Can we unsticky this? If it is not to be replaced, then I suggest the following two threads be merged or otherwise consoldidated as a sticky:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=30700
And:
http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/ ... =viewtopic
There are fewer posts in the latter, but the original post has more discussion.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=30700
And:
http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/ ... =viewtopic
There are fewer posts in the latter, but the original post has more discussion.
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