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[10] YS, what keeper for 1?

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[10] YS, what keeper for 1?

Postby Rokh » Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:55 pm

YS is one of my 10mans last achieve for the drake (that and fire fighter)

What keeper do you use for the 1 light in the darkness?
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Re: [10] YS, what keeper for 1?

Postby kram » Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:28 pm

thorim
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Re: [10] YS, what keeper for 1?

Postby Rokh » Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:57 am

not freya for the +sanity?
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Re: [10] YS, what keeper for 1?

Postby Joanadark » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:37 am

If you do it without thorim, you are essentially doing Alone in the Dark, something no guild in the world has yet done in 25-man, and only a couple have done in 10.
Sanity is trivial unless you are playing badly. If people are going into p3 with less than 60 sanity they either were terrible at Brain Link, terrible at avoiding the deathcoiled person with a massive skull over their head, or terrible at avoiding skulls inside the brain realm because they keyboard turn instead of straphing.
And even if you go into phase 3 with 1 sanity, you are perfectly fine. 100% of the sanity loss from that point on is avoidable.

Freya is the first keeper you eliminate.
Hodir next.
Mimiron next.
Then Thorim last.
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Re: [10] YS, what keeper for 1?

Postby PsiVen » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:40 am

The trick to losing Freya is burning the brain in two phases. As long as you're having Thorim help, it's perfectly fine to burn heroism for one of them too.

I definitely wouldn't get rid of her first though, especially in 25-man. If for whatever reason you don't burn the brain in two phases, there is a very high probability of people going insane from nothing more than random-target sanity loss abilities up top.
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Re: [10] YS, what keeper for 1?

Postby Joanadark » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:42 am

The trick to losing Freya is burning the brain in two phases. As long as you're having Thorim help, it's perfectly fine to burn heroism for one of them too.


We actually killed the brain in one brain-realm during one of our Alone in the Dark attempts. No heroism. Wasn't even the Icecrown scenario, but Stormwind throne.

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I definitely wouldn't get rid of her first though, especially in 25-man.


Meh, I'd eliminate both Hodir and Freya in the same stroak personally. All both of them do is compensate for people playing badly or making mistakes. Theres no reason for someone to randomly die and need to have Hodir. And theres no reason whatsoever for someone to ever go insane, even if you stretch it out to the full enrage timer of the fight.
2-light really isnt much different from just doing the fight normally.
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Re: [10] YS, what keeper for 1?

Postby Tiandelin » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:55 pm

Joanadark wrote:We actually killed the brain in one brain-realm during one of our Alone in the Dark attempts. No heroism. Wasn't even the Icecrown scenario, but Stormwind throne.


I don't go downstairs since I tank on the fight, but my brain teams always say that Stormwind takes the least time to clear and allows for the most dps time on the brain. We never seem to have an enhancement shaman along to send in there, but with bloodlust I'm sure we'd be able to get the brain in one phase if we got Stormwind first.

Joanadark wrote:Meh, I'd eliminate both Hodir and Freya in the same stroak personally. All both of them do is compensate for people playing badly or making mistakes. Theres no reason for someone to randomly die and need to have Hodir. And theres no reason whatsoever for someone to ever go insane, even if you stretch it out to the full enrage timer of the fight.
2-light really isnt much different from just doing the fight normally.


Well, one thing to remember is that in addition to the ice block save, Hodir also decreases damage dealt to the raid by 20%. Freya increases healing by 20%, but that's somewhat less noticeable. Hodir not only saves people, but he makes it less likely that they'd be in a position to die in the first place, making him a much greater loss than Freya.

Agreed about sanity, though. I've never had to use the wells since we started killing Yogg, and even our brain teams are generally fine once they get some experience. To echo what was said above, if you can get the brain down in two phases, there's really no way that sanity can be a problem if people aren't being careless.
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Re: [10] YS, what keeper for 1?

Postby Avengeance » Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:16 pm

Actually Mimiron is a good one to lose for doing 3 Light - you just tank the tentacles instead and they dont hit hard in 10, and their stacks never stack high.

Either way tho, Thorim is the way to go for 1 light in the darkness - and it is easier than anyone may think on 10 man, its practically the same fight as all 4 keepers up with lower DPS - we managed to kill the brain in 2 phase without a full melee team.
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Re: [10] YS, what keeper for 1?

Postby Joanadark » Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:36 pm

Actually Mimiron is a good one to lose for doing 3 Light - you just tank the tentacles instead and they dont hit hard in 10, and their stacks never stack high.

Either way tho, Thorim is the way to go for 1 light in the darkness - and it is easier than anyone may think on 10 man, its practically the same fight as all 4 keepers up with lower DPS - we managed to kill the brain in 2 phase without a full melee team.


Err....the Crushers you always tank. Mimiron double the casting time of the Corruptor Tenticles, and removing him doubles the number of curse of dooms, draining poisons, apathys, snares, etc on the raid, which is particularly annoying on 10 when GCDs are more stretched.
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Re: [10] YS, what keeper for 1?

Postby Avengeance » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:31 pm

Not really, with mimiron and 6 sec cast U can do a lot of things when they are recasting, I never really tanked them, i hit them once every 6 secs and go afk somewhere or dispell. Without Mimiron then u have to sit under them full time. Besides Shamans totems will fix all those debuffs, and my group always runs with 2-3 palas and 2 priests. Which add to remove for 3 light of course depends on your raid setup, Mimiron favours mine way more, although not that it actually matters a lot in 10 men, whatever you do, dont remove thorim.
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Re: [10] YS, what keeper for 1?

Postby Funtodin » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:42 am

For 1 light, do you actually take a healer in the portal realm or is it doable by emergency Ret Pally/Enh shaman heals? On 10m 3 light we've done without healers in there but sometimes when they go into the portal they can be already low.
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Re: [10] YS, what keeper for 1?

Postby Belloc » Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:39 am

Funtodin, one of the key points on this fight is making sure all portal DPS is topped off before going down there.

We wiped and wiped and wiped at this fight until we actually assigned healing. We put a resto druid on the portal team, ensuring that, at the least, they were healed when they went down. At best, however, they went down with a HoT or two.

Aside from that, I go down as well, allowing for some Divine Storm and Art of War flash heals. Ferals can heal themselves, if necessary, as can warriors with a cooldown. At worst, DPS will need to bandage.

Shouldn't be putting a healer down there on 10-man, though.
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Re: [10] YS, what keeper for 1?

Postby kasino » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:26 am

Joanadark wrote:If you do it without thorim, you are essentially doing Alone in the Dark, something no guild in the world has yet done in 25-man, and only a couple have done in 10.
Sanity is trivial unless you are playing badly. If people are going into p3 with less than 60 sanity they either were terrible at Brain Link, terrible at avoiding the deathcoiled person with a massive skull over their head, or terrible at avoiding skulls inside the brain realm because they keyboard turn instead of straphing.
And even if you go into phase 3 with 1 sanity, you are perfectly fine. 100% of the sanity loss from that point on is avoidable.

Freya is the first keeper you eliminate.
Hodir next.
Mimiron next.
Then Thorim last.


That is not nessecarily true. I have seen in the past where terrible luck having sycosis or w/e its called chain cast on them has caused people to go into phase 3 with very little sanity left (most noticable was a mage who had less then 20 left). Its un-avoidable sanity loss. But yes, a majority of low sanity by P3 reasons would be player error, and yes, as most have stated, thorim is deffinantly the one to leave up for 1LitD
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Re: [10] YS, what keeper for 1?

Postby Tiandelin » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:40 am

kasino wrote:That is not nessecarily true. I have seen in the past where terrible luck having sycosis or w/e its called chain cast on them has caused people to go into phase 3 with very little sanity left (most noticable was a mage who had less then 20 left). Its un-avoidable sanity loss. But yes, a majority of low sanity by P3 reasons would be player error, and yes, as most have stated, thorim is deffinantly the one to leave up for 1LitD


All sanity loss in phase 3 is due to player error. The only way you can lose sanity at that point is by facing Yogg-Saron when he's using Lunatic Gaze, which is very predictable and easily avoidable. As noted above, if you have even 1 sanity going into phase 3, you're fine as long as you don't screw up.

I suppose it would be possible to go insane in phase 2 just from being unlucky with psychosis, but it would require having Sara cast it on you 12 times. Maybe 10-11 if she decides to malady you a few times too. Either way, this is very unlikely.
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Re: [10] YS, what keeper for 1?

Postby moduspwnens » Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:02 pm

Psychosis clears 12 sanity in 10 man and 9 sanity in 25 man. In this log, I was hit by it six times:

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-2 ... 65&e=16675

That would leave me at 28 sanity, assuming no mistakes. I was also hit by a fear, which wasn't from someone else. That's another 3 to 25. It shows I took 12 hits of Brain Link, which was probably as we were wiping the attempt.
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