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[25] Freya + Elders

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Re: [25] Freya + Elders

Postby Belloc » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:59 am

I was under the impression that the bombs started spawning eventually, regardless. If not, the Conservator phase adds in the mushrooms which greatly increase damage done, so that's another help...


but I have a feeling that the bombs will come in at some point.
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Re: [25] Freya + Elders

Postby Kishandra » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:25 pm

Yeah, the roots are always either 34k or 44k hp. I'm not sure why the discrepancy but some were 34 and others were 44. /shrug. http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=33168 Notice that the highest hp listed is 44k, so it's not really that bad.

You definitely have some leeway, when we were breaking roots out it'd take (sometimes) 3 gcds and even then people were able to get out of the explosions. Only two or three died by the end.
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Re: [25] Freya + Elders

Postby moduspwnens » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:32 pm

Belloc wrote:I was under the impression that the bombs started spawning eventually, regardless. If not, the Conservator phase adds in the mushrooms which greatly increase damage done, so that's another help...


but I have a feeling that the bombs will come in at some point.


It definitely didn't happen at all when we did this achievement with no trees up last night. If you're right, the time is at least pretty far off. The extra healing Freya does was also hardly noticeable.
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Re: [25] Freya + Elders

Postby Worldie » Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:19 pm

Modus, doesnt she at some point spawn additional adds if you start attacking her with 25ish stacks?
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Re: [25] Freya + Elders

Postby Avengeance » Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:45 pm

u cant get more packs even if you leave her at 25 stacks, theres only 6 packs in the whole encounter
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Re: [25] Freya + Elders

Postby Joanadark » Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:46 pm

Modus, doesnt she at some point spawn additional adds if you start attacking her with 25ish stacks

you wait until she spawns her last set, which has to be anything but a conservator, and you just off-tank them and kill her.
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Re: [25] Freya + Elders

Postby Treck » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:46 pm

Joanadark wrote:
Modus, doesnt she at some point spawn additional adds if you start attacking her with 25ish stacks

you wait until she spawns her last set, which has to be anything but a conservator, and you just off-tank them and kill her.


NO.
We did the 25stack achievement with a conserator, the mushrooms increase dps apparently so P2 went fast anyway.
having the 3elementals is annoying since youll be pushed around but far from dangerous.
However it is IMPOSSIBLE to do with only detonating lashers, when they die every lasher removes 2 stacks from her. There only spawns 10 detonating lashers, thus making it impossible since she will only have 20stacks on her when that phase starts.
So in fact, you kill the 5first waves, then leave the 6th one alone, which has to be anything but Detonating lashers, and you off-tank them while your killing her.
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Re: [25] Freya + Elders

Postby amh » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:19 am

How do the mushrooms affect dps in a positive way?
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Re: [25] Freya + Elders

Postby Treck » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:05 am

Ppl are saying the shroom buff gives some positive benefit dpswise, but i dont honestly dont know.
You just dont wanna stand outside of one anyway ^^
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Re: [25] Freya + Elders

Postby amh » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:12 am

Treck wrote:You just dont wanna stand outside of one anyway ^^


Obviously :) Just that I´ve never heard anyone say they got a positive buff from the shrooms, but I might just have missed it.
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Re: [25] Freya + Elders

Postby Avengeance » Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:58 am

If you read the tooltip when you are under a mushroom it says it gives you 25% more dmg done I think
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Re: [25] Freya + Elders

Postby Worldie » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:52 am

amh wrote:How do the mushrooms affect dps in a positive way?

Standing under a mushroom increases damage done by 50%
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Re: [25] Freya + Elders

Postby kasino » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:39 am

Kishandra wrote:Yeah, the roots are always either 34k or 44k hp. I'm not sure why the discrepancy but some were 34 and others were 44. /shrug. http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=33168 Notice that the highest hp listed is 44k, so it's not really that bad.

You definitely have some leeway, when we were breaking roots out it'd take (sometimes) 3 gcds and even then people were able to get out of the explosions. Only two or three died by the end.



Unfortunanly i can't check links to wowhead and the such at work. Does that link to "iron roots" or does it link to "strengthened iron roots" because iron roots have less hp and are what spawn when you fight the elder alone. I havent been able to physically check scince we opted to just kill freya for the week w/o the elder on Monday, but when i brought up to my raid members that reports we're showing roots at between 34-44k, there we're a good 12 or 13 people who swore up and down that the positivly had over 50k each during the fight with freya.

Also, unless its been changed scince monday, its 25 percent additional damage from standing under a conservators mushroom (or unless the tooptip is wrong...which...blizz loves to do)
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Re: [25] Freya + Elders

Postby moduspwnens » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:06 am

Worldie wrote:
amh wrote:How do the mushrooms affect dps in a positive way?

Standing under a mushroom increases damage done by 50%


It must vary by 10/25. In 10s last night, it was a 25% buff. Also, I'd like to stress again quickly that it's not necessarily the case that you CAN'T DO IT if the Conservator (or 3 adds) aren't last. It just means you have to tank wave 5 as they kill wave 6.

As for the strategy, we didn't get to try it because a few people in the group still needed Hard mode and we don't use an OT in 10s, which makes tanking Freya and a Conservator from 100 to 0 a much less attractive idea.
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Re: [25] Freya + Elders

Postby Belloc » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:12 am

kasino wrote:
Unfortunanly i can't check links to wowhead and the such at work. Does that link to "iron roots" or does it link to "strengthened iron roots" because iron roots have less hp and are what spawn when you fight the elder alone.

The Wowhead link is for strengthened iron roots and does show a top health of 44k.

moduspwnens wrote:As for the strategy, we didn't get to try it because a few people in the group still needed Hard mode and we don't use an OT in 10s, which makes tanking Freya and a Conservator from 100 to 0 a much less attractive idea.

How do you do Thorim hard mode with only one tank? Druid? Same question for Iron Council hard mode.
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