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[25] Raid leader 4 horsemen, put who where?

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[25] Raid leader 4 horsemen, put who where?

Postby Shroomous » Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:09 am

Have not done this on heroic.

I read the sticky, so I take it I divide the dps among the melee horsemen, something I've never done (always had everyone stay in one corner).

Just two "tanks" in the back, one on each horseman?

Someone suggested two healers in front, 4 in back. Yes/no?
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Postby Nalyn » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:02 am

Not sure what you're refering to as "back" and "front."

However, the generally accepted way to setup 25 man 4 horsemen is two tanks for the two melee horsemen, depending on how good/geared your healers are, put 1 or 2 healers with each of these tanks, as well as splitting your dps, roughly evenly, between them as well.

The two ranged horsemen in the back, I put 2 tanks in the back, with 2 healers, 1 for each tank. While it is likely possible to have 1 healer do it, it is a bit risky, and simply easier just to dedicate someone to the job. Also, you don't necessarily need 2 spec'ed tanks to absorb the damage from the two ranged horsemen, the much larger HP pool of a tank gives you a LOT more room for error.

Your groups for the melee horsemen simply follow the tanks, as they switch the horsemen back and forth, once they go down, the two groups just run straight across the room, to the two ranged horsemen, and continue to switch back and forth until the other two horsemen die.
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Postby Nick7 » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:39 am

Way we usually do it:
Consider entrance 'start' position, and 'back' as back of the room, where 2 ranged horseman are.

On front right it's one tank and one healer.
On back it depends - if you got 3, or 4 tanks, put 1/2 tanks there, or 1 tank + paladin healer. Also, one more healer in middle (where 4 horsies are in start) - he's supposed to stay out of range of all horsies, and help heal 2 in back.

Everyone else in front left corner (including, ofc, 1 tank).

pull: pull horsies, zerg Thane down (use BL). Bring Baron to front left side, burn him down (while doing this, 1 tank+1 healer from front right move to back of room to help there).
After Baron is down, spread people left/right... burn other 2 horsies down (people should switch after 3rd stack).
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Postby Salamandra » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:37 am

While low geared: 2 ranged dps at the back, 1 healer on each, switch every 3 marks. A tank on each of the melee horsemen, switching every 3 marks. 1 healer on each of those, dps spread evenly between Baron/Thane. Once Baron and Thane are dead, go to the back, and make sure people spread out at Zeliek.

While more geared: Same at the back. 1 tank on each of the melee horsemen, heroism zerg Thane, Thane tank picks up Baron, kill Baron. Repeat above.

While very well geared: All melee dps start at Blaumeux. All ranged start at Zeliek. Pull, immediately pop heroism and kill Zeliek and Blaumeux. One tank on each of Thane/Baron, but as soon as you pull them, immediately run to Blaumeux/Zeliek. Once Blaumeux/Zeliek are dead, people stay exactly where they are and kill the horseman that's been pulled to them.
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Postby Halford » Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:04 pm

Nalyn wrote:
The two ranged horsemen in the back, I put 2 tanks in the back, with 2 healers, 1 for each tank. While it is likely possible to have 1 healer do it, it is a bit risky, and simply easier just to dedicate someone to the job. Also, you don't necessarily need 2 spec'ed tanks to absorb the damage from the two ranged horsemen, the much larger HP pool of a tank gives you a LOT more room for error.



I would like to see this healer that can solo heal the back in Naxx 25. I can't fathom that this could be pulled off. Youtube or it didn't happen, lol.
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Re: [25] Raid leader 4 horsemen, put who where?

Postby Belloc » Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:08 am

I could see an extremely talented holy paladin performing well, assuming he had a prot paladin assisting him (prot paladin spams flash heals on himself with sacred shield up).

But, really, there's no reason to risk it. Put as many healers back there as you can afford. If you're bringing 5, put 3 back there.

Hell, if I've got an earth shield, I can tank Baron Rivendare with practically no heals. We've been known to have no more than one healer up front (with the melee horsemen) and have no problems.
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Re: [25] Raid leader 4 horsemen, put who where?

Postby Panzerdin » Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:43 am

Beacon/SS on one tank and spam the other?
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Re: [25] Raid leader 4 horsemen, put who where?

Postby Annadin » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:29 am

Just a slight necro and a twist on the above...

Here's our old Progress Strategy:

We had 3 teams:

Back team: 1 'tank', 1 healer in each of the back corners
Front team: 1 tank, 1 meteor soak (feral, DK, retribution paladin), 1 healer in front right corner (Rivendare's starting corner), 1 tank, 1 healer and a big pile of dps all remaining in front left corner, hugging up
Middle team: 2 healers, one on the steps each side of the central platform (front/back)

Pop heroism/bloodlust from the off and Front Left zerg Thane. Call whether to finish him off or switch to Baron on 3/4/5 marks. Either is fine. Just call it.

Back team: just occupy the bosses. Don't die.

Middle team: heal the healers on their side, particularly those at the back of the room. Heal on transitions too. Outrange marks, but switch front/back if they need to, having acquired marks at transitions.

If Thane is zerged before the need to switch, Front Left simply pick up Rivendare and nuke him. However, Front Right do not immediately run to the back, in case Rivendare needs swapping back or they need to rejoin the fight on the Baron once their marks have dropped. Heroism saw off Thane but is the dps group going to kill Rivendare in time? Generally yes, even at progression dps levels. However, don't run off just yet, there's no need. The back of the room guys are doing fine.

Once one front boss is down AND it is clear that the other one is going down comfortably, then the free group go relieve the back of the room. (Can't overstate this point: failing this, and leaving one boss with a few %hp and a sillybig stack of marks blew an Immortal :( )

The only other thing to establish is that when the 16 people from Front Left head towards the back of the room, they split nicely into different corners (Sort the groups so that they can see easily - we used the classic <---odds evens--->) then after that, manage your own marks.

Don't want to take damage at the back of the room? Don't be the one standing closest to the boss.

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Re: [25] Raid leader 4 horsemen, put who where?

Postby Isetnefret » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:56 am

We always have 1 tankadin in our raids, sometimes 2.

All of our tankadins have holy as an offspec. We usually let our DPS warriors or DKs tank the melee bosses, and the 2 paladins switch spec to holy and just stand around in the back, healing themselves.

We can drop Thane before 3 debuff stacks, because we stack 100% of the DPS on him.

When he drops, his tank taunts Rivendare, and Rivendare's tank comes to the back and we start a 3 man cycle between Lady B and SirZ.

In the mean time, the rest of the raid takes up to 4 debuff stacks to drop Rivendare.

SirZ is the next target for them.

Usually we cannot kill SirZ by the time 3 debuff stacks rolls around, and that's one you definitely don't want to stack higher than that. So it usually takes us 2 cycles to kill the caster horsemen.
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Re: [25] Raid leader 4 horsemen, put who where?

Postby Caelia » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:31 pm

Might be a bit late but we have done this with 4 healers quite often. We have 2 Holy Pallies in the back. 2 Tanks in the Back. We have a restro druid front left, holy priest front right. 1 tank each side in the front. Then have all dps front left, pop hero and nuke Thane to death. Then procede to Baron and zerg 3 stacks and then the healer/tank switch in front and having all dps 3 stacks to run out and let drop, the split 1/2 and 1/2 in back, switching every 3 stacks.
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