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martyr spec better? WTF?

Postby Minnerva » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:06 pm

So it seems a tankadin was using a martyr spec and was able to keep agro with no problem and i think more dps. it was on MMO here is the link to his spec.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8&n=%D0%A5%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwu9HKICyiE&feature=player_embedded
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Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Postby Koatanga » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:17 pm

To me that's a spec that sacrifices defense in the name of DPS, which is not (for me) what a tank is about. In my opinion (your mileage may vary) slowing the boss by 10% is better than increasing my crit chance.
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Postby Fridmarr » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:21 pm

Minnerva wrote:So it seems a tankadin was using a martyr spec and was able to keep agro with no problem and i think more dps. it was on MMO here is the link to his spec.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8&n=%D0%A5%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwu9HKICyiE&feature=player_embedded
Well the WWS of the fight is available here, http://wowwebstats.com/f233hiufbwua5?s= ... a=x1a98ce1

Having seen that and the video, your post confuses the hell out of me. He's not in a Martyr spec, his DPS is not high, and most importantly, he was not even using Martyr.
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Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Postby Minnerva » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:23 pm

Koatanga wrote:To me that's a spec that sacrifices defense in the name of DPS, which is not (for me) what a tank is about. In my opinion (your mileage may vary) slowing the boss by 10% is better than increasing my crit chance.


i am trying to figure out if my math is wrong. but when compared against one dragon i fought it said i did 188 every 3 and he was doing 75 every 1 would seem the tps was more in his favor.
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Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Postby Minnerva » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:29 pm

Fridmarr wrote:
Minnerva wrote:So it seems a tankadin was using a martyr spec and was able to keep agro with no problem and i think more dps. it was on MMO here is the link to his spec.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8&n=%D0%A5%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwu9HKICyiE&feature=player_embedded
Well the WWS of the fight is available here, http://wowwebstats.com/f233hiufbwua5?s= ... a=x1a98ce1

Having seen that and the video, your post confuses the hell out of me. He's not in a Martyr spec, his DPS is not high, and most importantly, he was not even using Martyr.


i was saying it was martyr spec because of knaughty's spec mention during the martyr tanking and vengance tanking
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Postby Fridmarr » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:33 pm

Minnerva wrote:
Koatanga wrote:To me that's a spec that sacrifices defense in the name of DPS, which is not (for me) what a tank is about. In my opinion (your mileage may vary) slowing the boss by 10% is better than increasing my crit chance.


i am trying to figure out if my math is wrong. but when compared against one dragon i fought it said i did 188 every 3 and he was doing 75 every 1 would seem the tps was more in his favor.

I'm not sure what you are referring too. You'll need to be more explicit.
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Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Postby Levantine » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:35 pm

Conviction beats SotP when you're in 25man gear. It's a high end spec without JotJ, not a 'Martyr Spec'.

Also, this new post review thing in phpBB3 is tripping me out. I keep thinking I've hit Preview and not Submit.
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Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Postby Fridmarr » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:36 pm

Minnerva wrote:
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Minnerva wrote:So it seems a tankadin was using a martyr spec and was able to keep agro with no problem and i think more dps. it was on MMO here is the link to his spec.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8&n=%D0%A5%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B3%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwu9HKICyiE&feature=player_embedded
Well the WWS of the fight is available here, http://wowwebstats.com/f233hiufbwua5?s= ... a=x1a98ce1

Having seen that and the video, your post confuses the hell out of me. He's not in a Martyr spec, his DPS is not high, and most importantly, he was not even using Martyr.


i was saying it was martyr spec because of knaughty's spec mention during the martyr tanking and vengance tanking
I think we are having a language barrier issue. I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. He's got a PoJ spec, if he was looking to maximize Martyr, he'd have reckoning and be using Broken Promise. He did not use Martyr at all that fight.
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Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Postby moduspwnens » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:37 pm

Took me like, a full 30 seconds to realize what Martyr was. I thought we all agreed that we'd call them SoB and SoV! Racists...
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Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Postby Minnerva » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:11 pm

never mind i re did my math and the threat per second is actually lower than an average paladin. so why would he go for conviction instead of the first tier holy 5 points?
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Postby Arnock » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:12 pm

moduspwnens wrote:Took me like, a full 30 seconds to realize what Martyr was. I thought we all agreed that we'd call them SoB and SoV! Racists...
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Postby Minnerva » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:14 pm

moduspwnens wrote:Took me like, a full 30 seconds to realize what Martyr was. I thought we all agreed that we'd call them SoB and SoV! Racists...


sorry i called it blood in my guild and kept getting corrected to the alliance version so it got stuck.
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Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Postby Fridmarr » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:52 pm

Minnerva wrote:never mind i re did my math and the threat per second is actually lower than an average paladin. so why would he go for conviction instead of the first tier holy 5 points?

SotP and Conviction are about the same in terms of TPS. Take a look at Theckd's MATLAB post in the advanced training forum for more accurate data.
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Postby majiben » Sat Apr 04, 2009 11:16 pm

SotP is better for a lower geared tank and Conviction edges out ahead with a very well geared tank.
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Re: martyr spec better? WTF?

Postby MonkH » Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:10 pm

isnt crusade ret talent better than first points in holy tree 2% increased all dmg, rather than 3% increased dmg per point

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZ0xVAbuRteIRhots0hbM

3% crit + 4% all dmg increased vs 15% increased seal dmg which makes up very little of ur total dmg?
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