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[Ret PvP] It was gonna happen... Seal Selection

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[Ret PvP] It was gonna happen... Seal Selection

Postby Robbo » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:40 am

First off "woot!" for new off-spec boards. Thank you maintankadin!

It was bound to come up sometime, but which do you use for Ret PvP?

Blood or Command?

I'm personally against Blood in PvP because I hate the backlash damage so much. But does anyone here run a combo that can support that extra incoming damage?

Is the burst really that much better?

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Postby Questioner » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:06 am

Arena: 1v1 Healer: Wisdom
Arena: 2v2 DPS: Generally Command
Arena: 2v2 w/Healer: Blood
Other Arenas: Blood
BGs: Blood
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Postby Robbo » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:13 am

Questioner wrote:Arena: 1v1 Healer: Wisdom
Arena: 2v2 DPS: Generally Command
Arena: 2v2 w/Healer: Blood
Other Arenas: Blood
BGs: Blood


Cool. Why?
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Postby guillex » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:17 am

Blood/Martyr.

Why?

Say a mage is going to sheep you. You see his cast bar. You judge about .5 of a second before his sheep goes off.

Guess what?

Recoil pops you out of sheep, and mr. mage is on a cooldown. ;)
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Postby Dorvan » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:20 am

Guillex wrote:Recoil pops you out of sheep, and mr. mage is on a cooldown. ;)


Correct, except that Polymorph doesn't have a cooldown :P
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Postby Robbo » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:27 am

Guillex wrote:Blood/Martyr.

Why?

Say a mage is going to sheep you. You see his cast bar. You judge about .5 of a second before his sheep goes off.

Guess what?

Recoil pops you out of sheep, and mr. mage is on a cooldown. ;)


Sure, I watched Angeles video too (awesome vid btw). And that's a neat trick I plan to use when I can. But you don't feel like the 2k damage you just did to yourself is just helping the mage kill you?
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Postby guillex » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:30 am

Robbo wrote:
Guillex wrote:Blood/Martyr.

Why?

Say a mage is going to sheep you. You see his cast bar. You judge about .5 of a second before his sheep goes off.

Guess what?

Recoil pops you out of sheep, and mr. mage is on a cooldown. ;)


Sure, I watched Angeles video too (awesome vid btw). And that's a neat trick I plan to use when I can. But you don't feel like the 2k damage you just did to yourself is just helping the mage kill you?


Depends on how good the mage's reactions are.

You just sheeped that pally, and now he's coming after you. You haven't had time to do anything. What're you gonna do ... Freeze him/blink/try another sheep?

Possibly ... Except that you've just come out of that sheep, you've HoJ'd the mage, popped wings, and are now creaming the floor with him, 2k recoil or not.

It all depends.
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Postby Elsie » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:30 am

Robbo wrote:
Guillex wrote:Blood/Martyr.

Why?

Say a mage is going to sheep you. You see his cast bar. You judge about .5 of a second before his sheep goes off.

Guess what?

Recoil pops you out of sheep, and mr. mage is on a cooldown. ;)


Sure, I watched Angeles video too (awesome vid btw). And that's a neat trick I plan to use when I can. But you don't feel like the 2k damage you just did to yourself is just helping the mage kill you?

There are almost no ret paladins over 2100 even spec'd into Seal of Command. Basically, the self damage sucks but without Blood we're worthless damage.
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Postby Shoju » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:32 am

Blood. It's all I ever use anymore. If 3.1 doesn't remove my soul, I'm going to drop the point from Command anyway.
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Postby guillex » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:42 am

Shoju wrote:Blood. It's all I ever use anymore. If 3.1 doesn't remove my soul, I'm going to drop the point from Command anyway.


I haven't seen it coined "Seal of Casino" in a long time ... Hmmmm ... Movie title, mayhaps??!?!?!?!
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Postby Elsie » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:58 am

Guillex wrote:
Shoju wrote:Blood. It's all I ever use anymore. If 3.1 doesn't remove my soul, I'm going to drop the point from Command anyway.


I haven't seen it coined "Seal of Casino" in a long time ... Hmmmm ... Movie title, mayhaps??!?!?!?!

It's not even as good as Casino odds because it has a 1s cooldown.
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Postby Robbo » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:09 pm

Bleah, I was afraid this was the direction the topic was gonna take.

Brb learning to pvp with SoB.
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Postby Worldie » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:15 pm

You should PvP with Blood anyway simply cause people will generally trinket out of your stun so the "bonus" of SoC are useless in most cases, and Blood does more damage.
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Postby Elsie » Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:52 pm

Possibly ... Except that you've just come out of that sheep, you've HoJ'd the mage, popped wings, and are now creaming the floor with him, 2k recoil or not.

Blink is the sole reason I'm an engineer still. Hoj -> Blink -> Boots -> Zomg wtf?

Heaven help any mage that uses blink except during stun.
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