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Postby Fayia » Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:27 am

"Let’s take a look at what happens after you do get “uncrushable”.
Again you have 540 Defense, but now you have 21% Dodge/Block/Parry + you have Holy Shield up.

0.01-10.00 =miss
10.01-30.40 = dodge
30.41-50.80 = parry
50.81-101.2 = block



But see what happened there, the roll is only 1-100, but the block goes to 101.2, that means 1.2% block is being wasted.
When this happens, you should start replacing Block with other avoidances.
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Soooo..and now for the noob question of the day. If there is actually a 100 sided dice rolled and it is all miss, dodge, parry, block...um...why do we take damage at all?
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Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:33 am

Block is only a partial damage reduction. And of course there are non-physical damage sources.
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Postby Arianne » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:56 pm

Can we get the "uncrushable" terminology in this revised to "block capped" please?
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Postby Thornir » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:01 pm

Fayia wrote:"Let’s take a look at what happens after you do get “uncrushable”.
Again you have 540 Defense, but now you have 21% Dodge/Block/Parry + you have Holy Shield up.

0.01-10.00 =miss
10.01-30.40 = dodge
30.41-50.80 = parry
50.81-101.2 = block



But see what happened there, the roll is only 1-100, but the block goes to 101.2, that means 1.2% block is being wasted.
When this happens, you should start replacing Block with other avoidances.
"


Soooo..and now for the noob question of the day. If there is actually a 100 sided dice rolled and it is all miss, dodge, parry, block...um...why do we take damage at all?


1) Spells.
2) Blocked hits still hit, just not as much as normal hits based on your BV.
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Postby dragan36 » Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:36 am

Hi,

Maybe I'm too detailed or I don't know something because I'm new but:

Now let’s say you have 540 defense i.e. "uncrittable" (and therefore 5.6% more miss) and 15% chance to dodge/block/parry, the attack table would look like this:

0.01-10.00 =miss
10.01-24.40 = dodge
24.41-38.80 = parry
38.81-53.20 =block
53.21+ =hit



See what happened? The boss’s 5.6% crit chance disappeared (Because of the defense)
The chance to be hit decreases because the avoidances are taking priority on the roll.
Let’s put up the same scenario, except you have Holy shield up.

So the attack table would look like this:

0.01-10.00 =miss
10.01-24.40 = dodge
24.41-38.80 = parry
38.81-88.30 = block
88.31+ = hit


See Smile now you’re only 11.69% away from “Uncrushable” status.


I mean block ratio after holly shield should be 38.81-83.8 and instead of 11.69% should be 16,2%.

Am I right?
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Postby Winchester » Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:42 pm

dragan36 wrote:
I mean block ratio after holly shield should be 38.81-83.8 and instead of 11.69% should be 16,2%.

Am I right?


Your almost right, there was an error there, but you forgot to factor in the loss of block due to the target being a boss, so 38.81-83.2 and 16.8%

I'm at a loss, i'm not quite sure how i got that number, and how it went unnoticed for so long... o_O apparantly i added 5.1% block somehow..
I have my suspicions that Libram of Repentance has something to do with this. (although that would make it a 5.33% error)

Awell, nice catch. fixed now :)
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Re: [Wotlk] Maintankadin 101 - Winchester.

Postby Winchester » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:52 am

Fixed a bunch of stuff that has since been changed after the Wotlk release.
Alot of coeffeciants and the like have been changed since the release, and they should be accurate now.
Also edited out some stuff that blizzard has either removed or changed.

Let me know if i missed some outdated stuff.
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Re: [Wotlk] Maintankadin 101 - Winchester.

Postby Winchester » Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:11 pm

I'm gonna try to update this guide soonish.
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Re: [Wotlk] Maintankadin 101 - Winchester.

Postby Lycius » Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:32 pm

Thanks for this info. I was a MT/OT all through BC and was damned good but now I feel like I just installed the game and bought a level 80 toon. Going to have to put in some major normals and heroics to figure all this crap out again but this guide explains alot.
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Re: [Wotlk] Maintankadin 101 - Winchester.

Postby Grehn|Skipjack » Sat Mar 20, 2010 7:48 pm

This guide is kinda out of date... Seal of Blood/Martyr hasn't existed since... August of '09? And Blessing of Kings isn't a talent anymore.
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Re: [Wotlk] Maintankadin 101 - Winchester.

Postby theckhd » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:08 am

Yeah, I've been thinking about rewriting the bulk of this into a few "Basic Training 101" style guides (like the attack table one) covering individual topics. Winchester and I spoke about it about it last August, but it seems he got busy again.

I'm somewhat short on time myself, but I think I could probably hammer out a section or two a day. Alternatively, I wouldn't mind maintaining a guide that's a community-written effort (i.e. I post and maintain each section of the guide, and the rest of the thread is us discussing, rewriting, and submitting drafts for each section).

I also really want to make a giant "Tankadin Stat Sheet" that contains all the relevant formulas & values for WotLK so that I have one consolidated place to look when I need any combination of formulas and conversion factors. Essentially Arcand's "Encyclopedia Tankadinica" but with updated numbers and formulas.
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Re: [Wotlk] Maintankadin 101 - Winchester.

Postby æ » Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:43 pm

I like the layout but it needs to be simplified. There is no reason to include SP or Int into the stats list. All it does it make things more crowded. I realize this is like two years old :P.

Also, 100 sided die? Wouldn't it be more accurately a 10,000 sided die roll system?
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Re: [Wotlk] Maintankadin 101 - Winchester.

Postby Winchester » Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:31 am

Hello thar.

Yeah sorry i thought i was gonna have time to update it but it didn't work out.
And by the time i did have time i hadn't been active in wow for months.

You're welcome to slice this thread down into mini guides.
theckhd really knows his math/theorycraft and excellent linguistic skills i'd be happy for him to rewrite it.

I may make a return for Cataclysm but by the looks of how awesome our small little community has gotten i wouldn't be surprised if there were no need for me to write anything at that point :)

I hope it has proven helpful at all :)
Thanks for the comments and views and sorry i couldn't rewrite it.
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Re: [Wotlk] Maintankadin 101 - Winchester.

Postby theckhd » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:14 am

Great. I'll start work on an updated version this week then. Thanks for writing such a comprehensive guide in the first place, it makes it a strong base from which to work.
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Re: [Wotlk] Maintankadin 101 - Winchester.

Postby Arcand » Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:40 am

Hey,

I'm looking at the stickies and determining what to prune for Cataclysm.

Please advise if you want to...

a) Keep this thread, and update it for Cata,

b) Dump this thread and start a fresh one for Cata, or

c) Dump this thread.
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