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[10] Patchy and Loatheb

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[10] Patchy and Loatheb

Postby Bubblol » Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:53 am

I have a few questions about patchwerk that i think you guys could help me with.
1) any idea what his attack speed is?
2) for dps, not survival/mitigation, would you consider a shieldspike for this fight over 40 block value, assuming you have plenty of HP and are block capped?
and lastly 3) am i safe from crits as long as i am block capped?

i'm trying to see how i can maximize my dps on this fight and loatheb
if i can drop below 540 defense rating, i think i can get that extra 200 block value i need to be invincible VS loatheb
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Postby Wolvar » Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:16 am

Attack speed and hateful strikes are both about 1 second speed. He swung 298 times in 277 seconds last time we killed him. Some of the extra swings are probably due to increased speed from 13 parries.

If you are block capped you can still be critted if your defense isn't 540.
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Postby MrDuck » Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:38 am

Wolvar wrote:Attack speed and hateful strikes are both about 1 second speed. He swung 298 times in 277 seconds last time we killed him. Some of the extra swings are probably due to increased speed from 13 parries.

If you are block capped you can still be critted if your defense isn't 540.
Well, blocked hit cannot crit. But patchwerk is able to eat through holy shield (last time i checked,he ate my HS 4 times in a fight. Anyway, i run 10M naxx with just bv gear, BC BV trinkets, and something like 1900 unbuffed BV without libram&trinkets,so the dps is high enough, and bosses hit for laughable amounts after block.
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Postby Belloc » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:24 am

102.4% will push crits off the table. If, however, your holy shield falls off, you can be crit.
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Postby Wolvar » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:38 am

It's impossible to keep holy shield up 100% on Patchwerk.
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Postby Spectrum » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:48 am

He does swing insanely fast.

Unless you have terrible DPS you won't be hitting the enrage timer, so I'd probably go with damage reduction over DPS. This is the fight where single-target DPS excels and should be performing optimally. Your shield spike won't make a huge difference.
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Postby Belloc » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:06 pm

One thing to note is that Patchwerk may be incapable of critting. I know that his hatefuls can't crit, and bosses like that tend to not crit at all. An example would be Supremus: Supremus could not crit at all, with the hateful strikes being the reason.

I would not be surprised if Patchwerk simply could not crit, but I would also not rely on it.
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Postby amh » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:11 pm

Wolvar wrote:It's impossible to keep holy shield up 100% on Patchwerk.


http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=48951

10 (8) seconds , 8 blocks. That's 2 attacks you need to avoid. 2 out of 10 -> 20% avoidance. I've never seen a tank go into Naxx with 20% avoidance.

How is this impossible?
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Postby tullock » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:19 pm

On average, you need 20% avoidance, but given enough time, you will always take a string on non avoided attacks, it is mathmatically possible to have 99% avoidance and still take 100 hits in a row, just not very likely.
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Postby majiben » Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:35 pm

Not impossible, not 100% of the time, just very, very likely.
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Postby Wolvar » Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:13 am

K so impossible was the wrong word. With the number of hits you take over the course of the fight, it's pretty likely that you will take 9 hits in a row at least once if not more, especially when most pally MT's gear for block.
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Postby amh » Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:20 am

Just remember that a lot of us prefer avoidance, too :) Can't remember seeing my HS fall off on Patchwerk yet.
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Postby majiben » Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:05 am

redoubt procs cut the chance of an unblocked hit even more.
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Postby MrDuck » Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:24 pm

<--- gears for avoidance while trying to keep block-cap, and somewhat reasonable stamina. With 55% unbuffed avoidance, recasting holy shield every 9s(maybe 9,5, my rotation gets fucked with low fps, anyway it's not 10s, not more, and most likely just 9, i mash buttons like mad) in 969 rotation, i lose HS about 5 times in a patch fight usually.

That's what my parses say at least...lets say i mess my rotation a bit 2 times for it to wear off(noone's perfect,right?), still i very well remember seeing the streak of unavoided hits making my hp bar go crazy (yeah he hits only for 10k, make it 10 consequent hits with 1,5 healer on you -.-), and the holy shield stack number going down (i have the holy shield buff separated from other buffs:>).
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Postby knaughty » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:09 pm

Wolvar wrote:K so impossible was the wrong word. With the number of hits you take over the course of the fight, it's pretty likely that you will take 9 hits in a row at least once if not more, especially when most pally MT's gear for block.


Incorrect.

There's roughly a 1:500 change of taking 9 unblocked hits in a row. For the 10th hit, HS is back up. There's something like a 50% chance it was back up for the 9th hit anyway. And another 35% chance that Redoubt is up.

So the chance of taking an unblocked hit if you're running 969 is about 1 in 1500

He only hits about 360 times before the enrage (when you die).

It is more likely that you block every attack than an unblocked sneaks through. Then the unblocked attack would have to crit (Only 5.6% chance, even if PW can crit),

Block cap is probably mathematically more important that 540.

All that said: Wear 540 defence so you don't learn bad habits. You will stuff up your rotation and take unblocked hits.

Last log I have for 10-man shows 3 unblocked hits - the first one (didn't pre-cast HS, my bad) and two others.

Block provided 35% mitigation, BTW, which is why Paladins are best MTs.
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