Which heroics are the easiest?
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caboom wrote:Worldie wrote:caboom wrote:8 - Utgarde Keep: Utgarde Pinnacle
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This istance is as easy as nexus/keep as long as you don't go with braindead people who don't understand that standing in blue shit is wrong.
We eventually made the achievement on last boss because we did DPS him so quick (with neo 80) that he didn't do bane at all.
Undergeared tanks will have big problems on trash, and will find it to be hard on bosses, you're not an undergeared tank. Unlike other instances this is an impossible one w/o beeing crit capped(3rd boss is not forgiving). Downranked it to 7.
@2ndin : Oculus is a 2, except the last boss xD
I'd agree with the critcapped part, but i managed to deal with this istance as neo 80, uncrittable with barely 18k unbuffed HP with no CC.
The main issue with trashs is that you need to priorize them. Some mobs hit very hard and need to be stunlocked/killed quick. Also the debuff that the mobs with dogs put on you needs to be dispelled asap or you'll start to get 3-4k damage on top of the melee damage from dogs.
Last but not least, trashs at the end are terrible. The necromancers have a horrible aoeshadowbolt, 2 hitting at same time will oneshot someone, and the berserkers have a aoe targetted fear, hence have people spread and be prepared to ninjacleanse the healer or bubble out of a fear. Shamans are a huge plus in this place (dps or healer, doesn't matter).
Last boss, ye i'd guess he can be terribly unforgiving for a crittable tank.
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Worldie wrote:I'd agree with the critcapped part, but i managed to deal with this istance as neo 80, uncrittable with barely 18k unbuffed HP with no CC.
The main issue with trashs is that you need to priorize them. Some mobs hit very hard and need to be stunlocked/killed quick. Also the debuff that the mobs with dogs put on you needs to be dispelled asap or you'll start to get 3-4k damage on top of the melee damage from dogs.
Last but not least, trashs at the end are terrible. The necromancers have a horrible aoeshadowbolt, 2 hitting at same time will oneshot someone, and the berserkers have a aoe targetted fear, hence have people spread and be prepared to ninjacleanse the healer or bubble out of a fear. Shamans are a huge plus in this place (dps or healer, doesn't matter).
Last boss, ye i'd guess he can be terribly unforgiving for a crittable tank.
Hence a 7, on Drak'tharon or VH by comparison it is perfectly possible for a crittable tank to just aoe tank the whole 3-4 mob packs w/o any CC at all.
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TEN THOUSANDS? O.o
Was he wearing greens or what, he barely hits me for 6-7k unblocked.
Was he wearing greens or what, he barely hits me for 6-7k unblocked.
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Worldie wrote:TEN THOUSANDS? O.o
Was he wearing greens or what, he barely hits me for 6-7k unblocked.
Err yeah... 10 thousand? Are you sure he's not getting crit? The only think that's hit me for 10 thousand in a heroic is the first boss in Halls of Lightning when he mortal striked me with the buff up (ow!). I've got to admit I've only done Utgarde Pinnacle, Halls of Lightning and Violet Hold. The list above saying that two of those are the hardest makes me a bit sad really.
Then again AoEing 10 man Naxx trash was slightly depressing as well (kinda fun too).
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caboom wrote:This is what i consider to be the order of dificulty for heroics, with marks from 1-10 :
2 - Drak'tharon Keep
3 - Violet Hold
3 - The nexus
4 - Halls of stone
4 - Utgarde Keep
4 - Azjol-Nerub
5 - Caverns of Time: The Culling of Stratholme
5 - Gun'drak
5 - Ahn'kahet: The Old Kingdom
6 - Halls of Lightning
7 - The Oculus
7 - Utgarde Keep: Utgarde Pinnacle
Utgarde Pinnacle is not very hard, its a challenge but we have struggled far more with both bug instances AN and Old Kingdom. Halls of Lightning so far is the hardest for us, 100% because of the final boss.
Violet Hold is easy once you figure out every boss but if you run through 12 waves, get a new boss that you don't know and wipe learning its a PITA. Once you know them its easy.
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Yeah, once your group knows how do to everything in every part of the instance well and you get mega DPS, etc. then Heroic X is easy....
It's possible to be hit for 10,000 by Skadi's Crush, and of course King Ymiron will attack you for half your life with Dark Slash, for whichever boss you were talking about up there pre-edit.
It's possible to be hit for 10,000 by Skadi's Crush, and of course King Ymiron will attack you for half your life with Dark Slash, for whichever boss you were talking about up there pre-edit.
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Done them all, with competant people you can do any of them easily.
The most fun I have is doing Culling of Strat Heroic for the mount, done it twice now; still no mount.
I did get a White Polar Bear Mount though.
The most fun I have is doing Culling of Strat Heroic for the mount, done it twice now; still no mount.
I did get a White Polar Bear Mount though.
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Vanifae wrote:Done them all, with competant people you can do any of them easily.
The most fun I have is doing Culling of Strat Heroic for the mount, done it twice now; still no mount.
I did get a White Polar Bear Mount though.
We've had 3 out of 3 total "timed" runs. Is the drop-rate *not* 100%? LOL
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Jobah wrote:got a little bit more experience since i started this thread and the list caboom put up looks pretty good cept for CoT strath, ive found that to be almost as easy as Drak keep, and the oculus... i dunno about a 7, seemed easier than that.
Well, very well geared tanked with proper CC may find it easy.
I spent a lot of time there with health jumping between 100% to 20%.
violet hold is much easier and utgard keep somewhat easier.
A guild group went for utgarde pinnacle, they wiped on the trashes (warrior tank, 22K health).
For what I've seen yet, caboom rating matches.
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What i want to know, how HARD is heroic with an 'average' party?
ie people who never got T6 gear, who never downed brutalis pre 3.0.
Ie a tank in seronite/tempered gear only, 500-540 defence with a healer pushing around 1000 spellpower and 1-2 competent cc?
ie people who never got T6 gear, who never downed brutalis pre 3.0.
Ie a tank in seronite/tempered gear only, 500-540 defence with a healer pushing around 1000 spellpower and 1-2 competent cc?
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