[25] Patchwerk

[kram]

Have any of you downed this yet? We cant seem to get healing down yet.

[Sinnegorth]

I have not downed him but I am wondering what kind of healers and how many you are taking?

[Panzerdin]

Based off of the old patch, you'll likely want one healer on the main tank, one on the hateful strike tank, and one on the raid (or on whichever tank needs another healer if there isn't any raid damage - I don't remember any, but that's no guarantee).

In 25-man, you'll want the same, but scaled up. One or two healers on each tank (probably one, since I'm guessing it's 3 HS tanks and a main tank). Maybe two.

If your healer's mana will last, they should be spamming heals virtually non stop. That's how it used to be done.

[PsiVen]

The 10-man is quite simple, just put a healer on a each tank and have them spam. There's no raid damage so only bring a 3rd healer if you can't handle the tank damage.

The 25-man is pretty much the same fight it was in the 40-man. Hateful will nearly one-shot tanks every hit, so healing needs to be very tight. Put as little into the MT as you can get away with, because he'll be shooting the breeze in comparison. Beacons and such should go between the HS tanks.

If you're having a lot of trouble, don't forget you can add a 3rd tank or more healing. The enrage timer is very lax compared to how it was in the 40-man, so you can bring 4 tanks and 9 healers and still kill him in 5 minutes.

[Panzerdin]

I'm with PsiVen in that 3 HS tanks is a LOT easier to heal, especially if the enrage timer is more forgiving than the 40-man version.

[Panzerdin]

Actually, looking at the nerfs he's undergone, 2 HS tanks should be more than healable unless your healers plain suck, since they have not only 0.3 seconds spare, but two separate cast times as well. Given that his damage is equal to one or two heals, two healers on each HS tank should be more than sufficient, and one could probably do it (at a pinch).

Tl;Dr - If your healers can' take this, they plain suck.

[kram]

We had one HS tank and he does a HS every 2.5 sec we had a average of around 31k dmg per HS. I guess we will have to try with a second HS tank.

[Nadina]

3 tanks and 3 Holy Paladins with triple beacons going make this fight much more simple.

[Kethion]

Actually, looking at the nerfs he's undergone, 2 HS tanks should be more than healable unless your healers plain suck, since they have not only 0.3 seconds spare, but two separate cast times as well. Given that his damage is equal to one or two heals, two healers on each HS tank should be more than sufficient, and one could probably do it (at a pinch).

Tl;Dr - If your healers can' take this, they plain suck.

How does one healer heal 15k in 2.2 seconds without some sort of cooldown?

[Panzerdin]

Because they're doing it in 5 seconds, and there are two of them. If you have one healer healing one HS tank in a 25-man, you're doing it wrong. Ideally

MT: One or Two healers
HS Tank 1: Two healers
HS Tank 2: Two healers

Those two healers have 5 seconds to heal for 15k between them. If they can't manage it, then yes, they suck.

[Kethion]

Two healers per hateful in 25 man is not hard at all, makes sense now that I read it correctly. But regarding

and one could probably do it (at a pinch).

Maybe for a short duration, but not long, 500 mp5 from replenishment in addition to passive regen wont be sustaining enough for any class except maybe a very well geared disc priest.

[Panzerdin]

Quite honestly, it's a situation that should never occur, because a typical raid on 25-man will have 7 healers, which means that, bar a bloody stupid healing setup, you're guaranteed 2 per tank. Since it's almost impossible to die on Patch, you're never going to dip under that. I just stated that one might be a possibility, if not now then certainly later (much like, say, solo-healing the main tank of a T4 instance, which would seem almost impossible at the time, but was eminently doable towards the end of the expansion.

I should add that I no longer play, so I am not familiar with the exact amounts of regen available to healers. I kind of assumed mana was as much of an non issue as it was in the Burning Crusade.

[Joanadark]

How does one healer heal 15k in 2.2 seconds without some sort of cooldown?

Or because they are a Paladin, casting Holy Light for 14k, every 1.3 seconds.

On BOTH tanks.

[kram]

How does one healer heal 15k in 2.2 seconds without some sort of cooldown?

Or because they are a Paladin, casting Holy Light for 14k, every 1.3 seconds.

On BOTH tanks.

Your not going to last that long chain casting HL.

[knaughty]

How does one healer heal 15k in 2.2 seconds without some sort of cooldown?

Or because they are a Paladin, casting Holy Light for 14k, every 1.3 seconds.

On BOTH tanks.

Your not going to last that long chain casting HL.

It's only a 5-minute fight.

If your Holy pally is stacking crit like he should be, instead of haste, 5 mins should be OK.

But a pair of bacon'd Holy pallies on HS tanks is going to simplify things no end.