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Postby Bosutei » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:03 am

Gerilith wrote:Never got a crit when being stunned....never. You are literally uncrittable with 490 defense.


Not exactly, players can still crit you just fine. :P
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Postby Gerilith » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:05 am

Bosutei wrote:
Gerilith wrote:Never got a crit when being stunned....never. You are literally uncrittable with 490 defense.


Not exactly, players can still crit you just fine. :P

With spells, if you want to be that correct :P
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Postby amalah » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:46 am

Or players with any kinda crit rating or talents that improve crit chance. :P
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Postby Gerilith » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:50 am

Isn't a critical strike impossible if the gap between targets def and your own weaponskill gets too high? I thought it was.
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Postby Mínas » Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:35 am

Try this in any BG and u will see they can ;)
But the crits are very small ^^
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Postby Joanadark » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:40 am

most DPS classes are going to have better than 5% crit chance.....

has nothing to do with def being ineffective against players, and everything to do with the fact that you STACK crit in pvp.
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Postby Baelor » Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:08 am

Joanadark wrote:most DPS classes are going to have better than 5% crit chance.....

has nothing to do with def being ineffective against players, and everything to do with the fact that you STACK crit in pvp.

Joana speaks the truth. 490 defense is the break point at which you've stacked enough of it to counterbalance a mob's base crit rating. Mobs with abnormal crit ratings (there are some) and players with >5% crit can still crit you. Ask an assassination rogue to try to Cold Blood-Eviscerate you, I guarantee your combat log will show a crit.
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Postby Brute » Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:06 am

25 defense skill reduces your chance to be critted by 1%. So against a level 70 mob, you need 125 higher defense skill than their weapon skill (350). So that would be 375. Since bosses are 3 levels higher than you, you need 125+15 (5 for each mob level), putting it at 490.

To be uncrittable against a 70 rogue with 50% crit chance, you'd need 50*25+350 defense skill, or 1600. Of course, you'd probably be totally unhittable at that point. Your pure avoidance would be >155% before gear or talents, so who knows what that would do to the attack table. :D
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Postby Passionario » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:49 pm

Baelor wrote:Ask an assassination rogue to try to Cold Blood-Eviscerate you, I guarantee your combat log will show a crit.

On a semi-related note, will CB-ES crit the aforementioned warrior with Shield Block active?
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Postby Reiyuka » Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:51 pm

Passionario wrote:On a semi-related note, will CB-ES crit the aforementioned warrior with Shield Block active?


It will - it'll be something like

Bob crits you for 3456 (500 blocked).

In PVP it can happen.
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Postby Girard » Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:44 pm

Mínas wrote:Try this in any BG and u will see they can ;)
But the crits are very small ^^


I had a rogue crit me for 176.

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Postby Joanadark » Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:33 pm

Back in pre-bc, I was a reckoning bomber.

I had a screenshot of my combat log in a duel against one of the best rogues on the server. I've since lost it, but it went something like this...

Rogue crits you for 1 (xxx blocked)
Rogue takes 195 holy damage from Holy Shield.
Rogue takes 25 holy damage from Blessing of Sanctuary
Rogue takes 15 holy damage from Retribution Aura
Rogue takes 13 fire damage from Essence of the Pure Flame

Rogue takes 18 damage from Thorium Shield Spike
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Postby Chorus » Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:18 am

Orbitus wrote:
Chorus wrote:OP, from what I understand, Block does not push Critical Blows off of the attack table like it does Crushing Blows. It seems to be reserved for +Defense to whittle away at.

The Attack table illustration at http://www.wowwiki.com/Attack_table seem to suggest this.


Actually Example 1 on that page suggests that shield block can reduce chance to be critically hit.

Here is my condensed version of their roll charts:
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         Shield Block
          OFF    ON
Miss     5.00%  5.00%
Dodge    4.50%  4.50%
Parry    6.20%  6.20%
Block    5.10% 80.10%
Crit     5.00%  4.20% <--
Crush    0.00%  0.00%
Normal  74.20%  0.00%


Thank you for the link though ^_^


It looked really different to me on a sleep deprived late night. Oh well.
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