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Postby Zironic » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:25 am

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=20135

Can someone explain to me what blizzard was thinking when they designed the random chance to proc higher chance of block and then decided to keep it in wotlk?

I wish they would just have made it 1-2-3% chance to block which would actually be useful in reaching unhittable.
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Postby Worldie » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:28 am

It is a great talent when you are not uncrushable yet. And it was godly for AoEtanking until now.

With his current 30% baked in block bonus, it's a 100% must have talent.
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Postby Bobness » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:29 am

That increased Block Value would be better then increased Block chance on bosses where Holy Shield Charges won't be used up.

in short....

Nerf to AOE Tanking (lots of Mobs)

Potential Buff for Boss Tanking.
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Postby Zironic » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:33 am

Worldie wrote:It is a great talent when you are not uncrushable yet. And it was godly for AoEtanking until now.

With his current 30% baked in block bonus, it's a 100% must have talent.


I agree that it's a must have talent for the block bonus, that's the main reason I got it before 3.0 aswell. I just wish they would have made the block part reliable instead of a proc.

At best and if all the charges get eaten up redoubt is 10% chance of blocking 1.5 attacks which is 15% block in an aoe situation if my math works out right. That's pretty nice but I'd still prefer a vastly lower number like 3-6% if it would be up permanently.
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Postby Equitas » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:59 am

does it stack with BV gained from str?
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Postby Zironic » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:01 am

Equitas wrote:does it stack with BV gained from str?


If it didn't it wouldn't do much would it?
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Postby Worldie » Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:39 am

If it didn't it would have 0 use since raw BV on gear is close to non-existant (it exists, but on few selected pieces like tier items)
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Postby Snake-Aes » Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:42 am

wtf guys? The skill wasn't nerfed or buffed in any meaning. By buying 3/3 redoubt, you get what used to be a 5-points redoubt and a 3 points shield spec, all in the same button. The mechanics are exactly the same. 10% proc for 30% block% + constant +30% block value
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Postby Worldie » Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:43 am

Actually it was buffed, previous Shield Spec did not include BV gained from STR.
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Postby Snake-Aes » Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:44 am

Worldie wrote:Actually it was buffed, previous Shield Spec did not include BV gained from STR.
See? >.> Why do people keep claiming it's a nerf and a buff to different things? It didn't change.
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Postby Worldie » Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:45 am

It's pretty much the same as people complaining about JotJ sucking, occasionally i feel shocked while reading those boards.
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Postby Bobness » Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:53 am

I must apologise....

For some strange reason i thought it had changed to be a 10% chance to increase BV by30%

Was having a blond moment sry.
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Postby Zironic » Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:56 am

That would have actually been an interesting change if they had done that : P
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Postby Sarkan-ZdC » Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:57 am

And not to forgett, the old Redoubt + shield spec was 5 + 3 talent points. Now we have to pay just 3.

That is a HUGE advantage.

So it is a buffed shield spec (3 points vs. 3 points) WITH the added benefit of a (nerfed) redoubt.

I say full of win.
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Postby Sarkan-ZdC » Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:59 am

Worldie wrote:It's pretty much the same as people complaining about JotJ sucking, occasionally i feel shocked while reading those boards.


Yes or when people talk about AoE Tanking and the need of Thunderclap (because it is multi-target JoJ) and forgett that moonkins (or better ANY Druid) can do the same with there .. (what ist the name of that thunderstorm?).
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