Diminishing Returns on Avoidance

[steadypal]

The one thing I am unhappy with DR for is that hits on use trinkets really hard. The pockect watch will far less useful. Speaking of trinkets the ZA parry trinket is looking good.

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How so? The on use effect is stil the same as far as I know. The only reason why the pocketwatch was so popular as the on use ability gave 15% dodge. Before DR it still gives around 7.5% dodge at level 80. With DR it's not worth using for wotlk.

oh just sayin parry trinket got hit by what i say .46% parry

[Elsie]

Actually this makes the commendation look really... well, less good.

[Chunes]

Actually this makes the commendation look really... well, less good.

as far as the proc is concerned, yeah. but stam is still stam. The other option would be to throw together a darkmoon card of your choice to team up with your defense trink of choice.

[Elsie]

Actually this makes the commendation look really... well, less good.

as far as the proc is concerned, yeah. but stam is still stam. The other option would be to throw together a darkmoon card of your choice to team up with your defense trink of choice.

I was thinking a BV trinket would be cool. Autoblocker is 54? BV. That's roughly 70 BV vs 640 hp. Granted 70 BV would require 8 hits taken to compare.
Or the ZA trinket parry (static vs DR proc) and ~2.5% dmg reduction on use. Would only take 2-3 hits from a reasonable boss for the on-use to equal 640 hp (about 10k unmitigated hit is 250 damage negated by use).

...I'll probably be using pocketwatch + shadowmoon insignia more often.

[Orms]

Someone said you now cant get 102.4% combined avoidance to become unhittable (uncrushable) anymore. Is that true, does block rating have diminishing returns also?

[Noradin]

Someone said you now cant get 102.4% combined avoidance to become unhittable (uncrushable) anymore. Is that true, does block rating have diminishing returns also?

block rating has no dimishing returns as far as I know (since there are abilities like HS and SB it wouldn't really make sence, too).

[Scaradin]

on PTR, I can still get over 102.5% avoidance by quite a bit (I can get about 94% passive uncrushability due to building the uncrushable set). So, DR doesn't affect things so drastically as stop that. However, it takes more of my uncrushable tanking set and less of my normal tanking set in order to hit the 102.5%;

With that said, there is no more crushing blows so other than for avoidance and increased effective health, there is no specific reason to aim for 102.5% (magic number of 490 is still key for tanking @ 70 though)

[Garath.Gorefiend]

on PTR, I can still get over 102.5% avoidance by quite a bit (I can get about 94% passive uncrushability due to building the uncrushable set). So, DR doesn't affect things so drastically as stop that. However, it takes more of my uncrushable tanking set and less of my normal tanking set in order to hit the 102.5%;

With that said, there is no more crushing blows so other than for avoidance and increased effective health, there is no specific reason to aim for 102.5% (magic number of 490 is still key for tanking @ 70 though)

Yes there is still a specific reason to hit 102.4

The reason is that it pushes normal hits off the attack table.

If you reach 102.4 every unavoided hit is mitigated by block...

[Orms]

on PTR, I can still get over 102.5% avoidance by quite a bit (I can get about 94% passive uncrushability due to building the uncrushable set). So, DR doesn't affect things so drastically as stop that. However, it takes more of my uncrushable tanking set and less of my normal tanking set in order to hit the 102.5%;

With that said, there is no more crushing blows so other than for avoidance and increased effective health, there is no specific reason to aim for 102.5% (magic number of 490 is still key for tanking @ 70 though)

Yes there is still a specific reason to hit 102.4

The reason is that it pushes normal hits off the attack table.

If you reach 102.4 every unavoided hit is mitigated by block...

this^

[Rhiannon]

So I guess the net result of this is that we're unlikely to be gemming/enchanting dodge/parry/defense beyond what's needed to meet uncrittable/102.4%, as EH gemming/chanting has no such DR? Is there a block value gem? I've seen there's expertise gems out there.

[Revnger]

this is actually good news.... surely it's there to stop rogues from wanting to be tanks.
nothing worse than standing there and watching a rogue tank Gruul and take zero damage for the fight.

[eXa]

nothing worse than standing there and watching a rogue tank Gruul and take zero damage for the fight.

*cough* Standing there watching a rogue tank mother and take zero damage the entire fight...

[Eanin]

I read that chart and formula, and really had no clue what it was talking about.

In layman's terms, what kind of DR does one see at:

25% dodge?
30% dodge?
35% dodge?

[Snake-Aes]

I read that chart and formula, and really had no clue what it was talking about.

In layman's terms, what kind of DR does one see at:

25% dodge?
30% dodge?
35% dodge?

I don't think I can simplify it better than that

An example on how it is right now: At 30% dodge and 17% parry, 38 dodge rating gave me 0,4% less avoidance than 48 parry rating.

[Othniel]

I'm not getting a "before diminishing returns" label on block % on live at the moment. I don't know whether this is a typo or not, or whether DR hasn't been implemented for block or something yet.

Is it possible for people to do a quick check to see if this is/isn't true for beta?