Meta Gems...

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Meta Gems...

Postby Laeelin » Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:41 am

I'm getting close to 70 now, and sooner or later will start on heroics.

What is the best meta gem for 5 mans/heroics?

I suspect it's:
Powerful Earthstorm Diamond ( http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25896 )

Note: I don't plan on any raiding on this character.
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Postby baleogthefierce » Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:53 am

That's the one I've used since I first hit 70 all the way up through Sunwell.
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Postby Inukshuk » Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:40 am

Why is there little to no love for the 12 defense and chance to proc a heal gem (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25898)? 18 stam = 180 health * 1.6 (talents) * 1.1 (kings) = 316.8 HP. Don't get me wrong, an additional 316 HP to your max is certainly meaningful. But the 5% stun is more or less useless in PVE as I understand it given that you're going to see "incapacitates" and the like instead of true stuns in most encounters. The 12 defense is always going to be useful (especialy post wotlk with the anticipation change) since you can gem/enchant for stamina instead of defense in several slots if you prefer, and a proc of 120-180 HP (from what I'm reading) would only need to proc 3 times in a fight to make up for the 317 additional HP from the other gem, and any additional procs would be upside.

Am I looking at this wrong? Is there something I'm not accounting for?
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Postby baleogthefierce » Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:16 pm

Personal preference. I already run defense heavy with my gearing and I'd rather have the guarantee of 300 extra HP than an unreliable chance to restore 1/3 of that health.

Same reason I see redoubt as a sub-par talent compared to shield spec.
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Postby Lab Monkey » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:25 am

Does anyone have any proc rate data for this gem? I imagine it could easily outperform the stam/stun meta in AoE situations.
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Postby Flipthebird » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:54 am

for 5-mans and heroics i would use the one the OP mentioned. The garaunteed stamina increase is more useful/reliable than the small amount of chance heals you would be getting. And, your healer would love you just a little bit more.

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Postby baleogthefierce » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:23 am

This gem has since been changed to be +12 defense and chance to restore health on hit, so it's basically a crappy version of JoL. Comments on wowhead indicate that there is a hidden internal cooldown also, and that the heals are in the 40-60 range when it activates (I have not tested this yet so I can't confirm or deny).

If you need the defense, I'd recommend going with the defense/block gem instead. Come to think of it, for 5-mans the 10% extra block value would serve you better than a chance to restore 50 health every ~1.7 seconds on your weapon swing. You will be getting an extra 80% of your block value in total damage reduction if all your HS charges are used (which they usually are when AOE-tanking in 5-mans). My block is somewhere in the neighborhood of 500, so it's either 400 damage blocked every 8 seconds or ~235 damage healed (assuming a proc on every swing). That's better EH than even the 18 stamina/5% stun gem provides.

tl;dr: 12 defense/block value for 5-mans please.
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Postby Lab Monkey » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:14 pm

D'oh! I read that as "each time you are hit". That makes it much worse. I should have gone with the Eternal (+12 def/+10% BV) instead.
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Postby Grehn|Skipjack » Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:25 pm

Eternal Earthstorm. The end. =P
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Postby Selinaria » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:33 pm

Eternal or Powerful Earthstorm imo.

The stamina from powerful is indeed strong but the defense and block value from the Eternal can serve quite well too (especially for 5 mans and heroics).
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Postby kandros » Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:31 am

u say dont go in raids with this char so i think u farm lot of heroics .. i think +12 defense rating and +10% block value is the best meta gem for you
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