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Postby Worldie » Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:54 pm

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moduspwnens wrote:Let them be the AoE tanks. We can be the second-best AoE tanks and remain the best MTs (based on current WotLK info).


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Postby Quacky » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:39 pm

fuzzygeek wrote:
moduspwnens wrote:Let them be the AoE tanks. We can be the second-best AoE tanks and remain the best MTs (based on current WotLK info).


Who are you and what have you done to Modus.


LoL. If Modus can be optimistic with us being #1 MainTank, that's awesome news to a reader like me.
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Postby Sabindeus » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:20 am

fuzzygeek wrote:
moduspwnens wrote:Let them be the AoE tanks. We can be the second-best AoE tanks and remain the best MTs (based on current WotLK info).


Who are you and what have you done to Modus.


dude have you read this shit we're getting? Modus is a realist, not a pessimist. :P
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well

Postby Mavrix » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:07 am

That just makes me want to prepare for the other shoe to drop. Nerf bat can't be too far in the future.
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Re: well

Postby Jonlo » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:24 am

Mavrix wrote:That just makes me want to prepare for the other shoe to drop. Nerf bat can't be too far in the future.
If it's too good to be true, it probably is.


This will be nerfed. The paladins on the beta forums are seeing how high they can get the JoC damage.

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Postby moduspwnens » Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:12 am

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fuzzygeek wrote:
moduspwnens wrote:Let them be the AoE tanks. We can be the second-best AoE tanks and remain the best MTs (based on current WotLK info).


Who are you and what have you done to Modus.


dude have you read this shit we're getting? Modus is a realist, not a pessimist. :P


Pretty much this. I have a Prot Paladin and Prot Warrior, so it doesn't really matter to me who I play. I'll call them as I sees them. They could still screw us, but based on current WotLK info, we appear to be the best (assuming a warrior for Demo Shout, but this can be applied by druids and Warlocks as well, and even Prot warriors use a DPS warrior for it).

You think I want my BElf with TF to be shelved?!

EDIT: And the Buster Sword. I have that on him, too.
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Postby Nymeros » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:09 pm

moduspwnens wrote:Pretty much this. I have a Prot Paladin and Prot Warrior, so it doesn't really matter to me who I play. I'll call them as I sees them. They could still screw us, but based on current WotLK info, we appear to be the best (assuming a warrior for Demo Shout, but this can be applied by druids and Warlocks as well, and even Prot warriors use a DPS warrior for it).

You think I want my BElf with TF to be shelved?!

EDIT: And the Buster Sword. I have that on him, too.


Yeah. I'm really scratching my head at what Warriors are getting. First they get a mitigation nerf with the changes to Shield Block while we get a buff with the changes to Improved Devotion and Holy Shield.

Secondly, outside of Shockwave for AoE tanking, their best new talents are for off tanking. They even have a 31 pointer that does absolutely nothing for them on a non multi-tank transition fight and buffs another tank with 5% dodge. Not to mention their 60% damage reduction on the target of their Intervene that's much further down their Protection tree than Divine Guardian.

I honestly have no idea what the heck Blizz is thinking to do with Warriors, but it seriously looks like they're getting the short end of the stick compared to Paladin and Druid tanks.
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Postby Saphier » Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:26 am

All that runic power he's getting is from a talent that gives 20 every time he gets a killing blow. Which is happening constantly vs those little slimes with like 300 hp.

So yes, in this situation he can spam corpse explosion. In Hyjal for example, not so much.

30 second CD on D&D also.


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Postby Enkal » Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:53 am

I kinda like the DK, a bit like my dark templar in AoC. I've always been a fan of life drains for some reason. :shock:

Used to have a Blood mage in Horizons as well. :)

There's the small probability I'll ditch tankadin for tanka-d-knight. ;)
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Postby q111 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:16 am

Don't also forget the new judgemend-system; every seal make judge-dmg; you don't have to judge crusader anymore, because the extra-damage was included in every holy-spell, the judgemend does not consume the Seal anymore and so on:

And you have a lot of new talents that dealy extra-thread:

Holy-Shieldslam (200% of your Block-Value and i think 200% thread of the holy-dmg WITHOUT activated Thread-Buff)
Holy-Cleave also with extra-Thread BEVORE Thread-Buff
Retributing-Aura SCALES with spelldmg and ALL auras are raidwide
Judgemend scales with AP and Spelldmg
8 Seconds CD for Holy Shield (no crushings (if they are not completely removed) because of high latency)

Even if the Tankadin don't tank, you can give the maintank all 4 minutes a extra Shield Wall and deal good damage (i hope without manaproblems)

Deathknights D&D is nice, but you cant spam it like consecration, and D&D can fear the target, wich can be fatal in some situations.

And dont forget: the DK will do good dmg, but the paladin in WotLK will also do it and the Single-Target-DMG will be buffed which was the biggest Problem of a tankpala against a castermob.

The only problem is Avengers Shield; if they would change the spell to an instant-cast, the Paladin would be one of the best tanks ingame, because the thread-generation would be godly.
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Postby roosevelt » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:34 am

q111 wrote:The only problem is Avengers Shield; if they would change the spell to an instant-cast, the Paladin would be one of the best tanks ingame, because the thread-generation would be godly.


Its going to be a .5 sec cast and our judgments will slow attack speed by 20%. You will be able to add it to the rotation but you will just have to time it. Our threat will be fine for single target and we will still be the best tanks for 4+ mobs and equal or better for 2-3.
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Postby Hoops » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:30 am

DK's wont be the AoE tanks.

Edit the aoe move is called Death and decay. Would cause same threat as a mages aoe since its not a frost move.
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Postby blessyou » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:31 am

q111 wrote:Deathknights D&D is nice, but you cant spam it like consecration, and D&D can fear the target, wich can be fatal in some situations.


Just a few nit-picks. It makes them "cower in fear", so they don't run off, its more like a warrior's intimidating shout on main target.

Hoops wrote:Would cause same threat as a mages aoe since its not a frost move.


This would be modified by Frost Presence I believe.
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Postby guillex » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:45 am

Enkal wrote:There's the small probability I'll ditch tankadin for tanka-d-knight. ;)


Only reason I'll be rolling a DK will be for farming.
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Postby Sabindeus » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:33 am

moduspwnens wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:
fuzzygeek wrote:
moduspwnens wrote:Let them be the AoE tanks. We can be the second-best AoE tanks and remain the best MTs (based on current WotLK info).


Who are you and what have you done to Modus.


dude have you read this shit we're getting? Modus is a realist, not a pessimist. :P


Pretty much this. I have a Prot Paladin and Prot Warrior, so it doesn't really matter to me who I play. I'll call them as I sees them. They could still screw us, but based on current WotLK info, we appear to be the best (assuming a warrior for Demo Shout, but this can be applied by druids and Warlocks as well, and even Prot warriors use a DPS warrior for it).

You think I want my BElf with TF to be shelved?!

EDIT: And the Buster Sword. I have that on him, too.


by the Buster Sword do you mean Cataclysm's Edge
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