Talent specs

[Lisson]

Hey, downed illidan (yay)

getting semi ready for sunwell, readings strats, checking gear, figuring all the random crap out.

i was told for a few encounters (brutallus mainly) people start using different specs.

the big one i read was 0/40/21 getting sanc. aura, but not 100% on that.

anyone stray far from the generic 0/49/12 build for sunwell?

[Worldie]

There's a equal division of paladins in sunwell, some are 40/21 (including me), some others are for more standard 46/15 or even 51/10.

It's up to personal preference and how you find yourself with the raid. All are viable for what i can tell.

[Baelor]

Worldi of <Guardians Clan> on Boulderfist (EU) is 0/40/21
Lore of <Months Behind> on Eredar is 0/51/10
Ossuary of <Exodus> on Kel'Thuzad is 0/47/14
All three of the above are deep in Sunwell and tanking progression encounters for their guilds.
Many others are standard 0/49/12 or 0/46/15

You can spec any way suits you, so long as you don't start speccing into wasteful talents for raid tanking like Improved Hammer of Justice and such. Your guild's needs should be in mind - are your healers having trouble keeping you alive? Then stay heavy prot, 47-51 ish. Are the heals fine, but your threat is an issue? Edge toward the Sanctity Aura spec if you like, 0/40/21.

We can't tell you how to spec - no one way is right, even for Sunwell. We can make fun of you mercilessly if you spec into Improved Retribution Aura and stack Attack Power for threat purposes, however. Sunwell is not especially different than other instances with regards to demands on your talent spec, whatever you've been running until now is most likely fine.

[Elsie]

I'm a big supporter of 51/10 and very hurt Baelor.

As worldie said, it's all in your role (and then preference).

[Baelor]

I'm a big supporter of 51/10 and very hurt Baelor.

What'd I do this time?

[PsiVen]

It's pretty much taste and progression. For example IMO 0/40/21 is bad for M'uru, 2/2 Judgement is more important if you use the Shahraz libram, 3/3 Crusader is a must if you lack a ret pally. Hence I'm 0/46/15 at the moment.

[Worldie]

Just wondering (not there yet, at twins atm), wouldn't the 40/21 be actually absurdly good if you tank Entropius? I mean, that's a crapton burst threat for that last 60 seconds.

[Elsie]

Just wondering (not there yet, at twins atm), wouldn't the 40/21 be actually absurdly good if you tank Entropius? I mean, that's a crapton burst threat for that last 60 seconds.

It'd actually be absurdly horrible for p1 since AD absorbs incredible amounts of damage either from void spawns (assuming you have the sentinels too) or humanoids.

As for p2, there's a lot of aoe dmg ticking down and entropius doesn't hit that hard. I'm pretty sure he can't jump AD.

You'd probably be better off with a 4/5 or 5/5 reckoning build! (shameless plug, and I forgot I'm actually 50/11).

[Morganim]

I tank kalec + felmyst both phases (ret on brut)
i used to use the standard 0/49/12 but have recently switched to 0/51/10 and love it, reckoning is always up in sunwell

[PsiVen]

Reckoning is nice, but +3% raid crit is nicer

And yeah Worldie, it might be nice for P2 but living through P1 with healers' mana stable is the hardest part.

[DJSticky]

How you spec is all up to you and what you need. There are plenty of viable options.


I personaly have stayed 40/21 throughout.

On the muru note, it is crazy. I've tried a few different specs, even with an SA build my healers finish P1 with 80% mana or more. It's usualy dbl shamans so they kinda cheat with mana tide but anyway. When I get ahold of entropus the void spawn tank judges crusader, I down a destro pot and lemme just say.. wow. It is threat tastic (he is excorcisable btw).

[wayjin]

Reckoning is awesome for brut, bad for kalec/felmyst(assuming you are tanking teh dragon)/twins, and not-so-useful for muru(void/sent tank) and KJ.
AD is a must for muru and KJ (and that's it)
One hand spec is really good for AOE situation - lolfailmyst, but especially muru, then KJ.
SA would be good for the same AOE situation, but you also need to live thru it... hence AD.

etc etc while learning sunwell, you could pretty re-spec for each fights imo

(pursuit of justice is also very good for KJ)

[Morganim]

Reckoning is awesome for brut, bad for kalec/felmyst(assuming you are tanking teh dragon)/twins, and not-so-useful for muru(void/sent tank) and KJ.
AD is a must for muru and KJ (and that's it)
One hand spec is really good for AOE situation - lolfailmyst, but especially muru, then KJ.
SA would be good for the same AOE situation, but you also need to live thru it... hence AD.

etc etc while learning sunwell, you could pretty re-spec for each fights imo

(pursuit of justice is also very good for KJ)

why would you say reckoning is bad for dragons.

I find reckoning is a huge TPS boost on felmyst which is very handy considering dps is still being done on the dragon in p2 when u dont touch him

[Ryu]

I'm using the 50/spec, 4/5 Reckoning. Has served me well up to M'uru.

[wayjin]

Reckoning is awesome for brut, bad for kalec/felmyst(assuming you are tanking teh dragon)/twins, and not-so-useful for muru(void/sent tank) and KJ.
AD is a must for muru and KJ (and that's it)
One hand spec is really good for AOE situation - lolfailmyst, but especially muru, then KJ.
SA would be good for the same AOE situation, but you also need to live thru it... hence AD.

etc etc while learning sunwell, you could pretty re-spec for each fights imo

(pursuit of justice is also very good for KJ)

why would you say reckoning is bad for dragons.

I find reckoning is a huge TPS boost on felmyst which is very handy considering dps is still being done on the dragon in p2 when u dont touch him

The chain parry problem, etc...kalec/demon hits pretty hard, and felmyst *under corrosion* hits super hard.
it's less a problem on twins tho.
If survival isn't a problem for you tho, reckoning is so awesome. (I love it too <3)