Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby Fetzie » Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:48 pm

Have downloaded the new version, will report back after the raid tomorrow evening.
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby Arees » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:03 am

Just downloaded off curse... I'll play around with it and try it out at our next raid.
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby inthedrops » Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:10 pm

Hermes v2.3 released:
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/hermes.aspx

I've also updated the tutorial videos, it's probably worth checking out even if you're familiar.
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby fuzzygeek » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:29 pm

Is it possible to have rows for each spell autopopulate based on what is available -- so one row if one person has the spell, or 4 if four people do? Or am I just doing this wrong?

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I had to set rows to a static 3 per spell, which obviously looks a little odd; we actually have 4 druids (sometimes 5), and four shaman (sometimes more) so the display isn't showing everything I'd like to know (3 was a reasonable tradeoff between the single line spells and the 4/6 overage deadspace nightmare).
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby inthedrops » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:07 pm

fuzzygeek wrote:Is it possible to have rows for each spell autopopulate based on what is available -- so one row if one person has the spell, or 4 if four people do? Or am I just doing this wrong?

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I had to set rows to a static 3 per spell, which obviously looks a little odd; we actually have 4 druids (sometimes 5), and four shaman (sometimes more) so the display isn't showing everything I'd like to know (3 was a reasonable tradeoff between the single line spells and the 4/6 overage deadspace nightmare).


You're not doing it wrong. This request is on the list. I'll be making a new view for this shortly. I notice that a lot of what you're showing however are battle ressez, one thing you can do in the mean time is put all the battle res spells in one container and click the "Merge Spells" checkbox. See this tutorial for how I use it with Raid Cooldowns, but do it for Battle resses instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07LZrDBofic

Here's how I have Hermes setup personally:
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Ignore all the buttons in the lower right, I'm just testing stuff.
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby fuzzygeek » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:21 pm

I used to have two boxes, one for BR and one for raid CDs; I've been trying to collapse this into a single column (instead of either the two column or nudge-boxes-around-every-time-raid-makeup-changes approach). I'll just go with the nbaetrmc approach for the nonce.

On the plus side, no errors from last night's raid!

I have another mod (bRez) that keeps track of what resses are up as well; it is nice in that it has a counter for how many have been used in the current fight. I suspect this is probably beyond the scope of your project :]
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby inthedrops » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:23 pm

fuzzygeek wrote:I used to have two boxes, one for BR and one for raid CDs; I've been trying to collapse this into a single column (instead of either the two column or nudge-boxes-around-every-time-raid-makeup-changes approach). I'll just go with the nbaetrmc approach for the nonce.

On the plus side, no errors from last night's raid!

I have another mod (bRez) that keeps track of what resses are up as well; it is nice in that it has a counter for how many have been used in the current fight. I suspect this is probably beyond the scope of your project :]


What does nbaetrmc mean? I googled it and everything, but this old man couldn't figure it out :) bRez is cool, it's one of a handful of addons brave enough to handle Reincarnation.

I'll let you know when I get the new view created that doesn't use the grid (and which has no dead space between spells).

Glad you got no errors. I haven't had any in quite a few builds myself. I do get a bars that lose their foreground color on occasion but I believe I've fixed that bug (just not released yet)
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby Treck » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:02 pm

inthedrops wrote:What does nbaetrmc mean?

How can you NOT know about the nbaetrmc approach!?

Obviously its the "nudge-boxes-around-every-time-raid-makeup-changes approach", and dont you forget it!
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby inthedrops » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:59 pm

Treck wrote:
inthedrops wrote:What does nbaetrmc mean?

How can you NOT know about the nbaetrmc approach!?

Obviously its the "nudge-boxes-around-every-time-raid-makeup-changes approach", and dont you forget it!


Hah! Hey, shouldn't you be killing stuff?

I'm starting work on the view now. Not sure how long it'll take.
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby Treck » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:17 am

inthedrops wrote:Hah! Hey, shouldn't you be killing stuff?

Actually, it turns out Ragnaros is pretty damn faceroll for the tanks...
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby inthedrops » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:28 pm

@fuzzygeek or anyone interested in trying the new "Bars" view (which shows exactly as many bar as needed) try r164:

http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/hermes/files/148-r164/

The new view is called "Bars". It'll require some tweaking for personal preference but there ya go. I'll push another release after I get a chance to use this in a raid myself. Scrapped together fairly quickly so there may be an issue or two I missed.
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby fuzzygeek » Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:53 pm

Oooo so far looks v solid. If alt raid happens this evening I'll take it for a harder spin.
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby inthedrops » Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:59 pm

fuzzygeek wrote:Oooo so far looks v solid. If alt raid happens this evening I'll take it for a harder spin.


Cool, I might push a release earlier if you report no issues. I don't raid until Sunday.

Hey, btw. Can you keep an eye out for this issue please? I am hoping I fixed it in the build you have but it's been somewhat elusive to reproduce:

The issue is that the foreground texture dissapears so the bar ends up looking completely transparent:
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby RedAces » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:44 am

Doing random Zuls together with my gf (prot pala). Jindo 1 Wipe and killed it the try after. Looking at hermes... divine guardian CD of the prot pala 19min 27sec? I asked her when she used it... she used it during the first wipe. Using the newest revision (r164).

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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby inthedrops » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:44 am

RedAces wrote:Doing random Zuls together with my gf (prot pala). Jindo 1 Wipe and killed it the try after. Looking at hermes... divine guardian CD of the prot pala 19min 27sec? I asked her when she used it... she used it during the first wipe. Using the newest revision (r164).

Screenshot attached (look at the top left):
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3730/wowscrnshot071011124149.jpg


A few questions:
1. Is she also using Hermes? Or just you?
2. Does it normally show the correct cooldown value?
3. This is very important: Did you happen to relodui your UI or logout and back in at any point during the run, probably near the point in time where her Divine Guardian would have been used? E.g., during the wipe?
4. Is that the CooldownBars view or another one?

This is a crazy bug. It's actually showing 19 hours and 27 minutes. I'll review the code and see what I can find. This is the first report of an issue of this nature.
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby RedAces » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:13 am

1. No
2. As far as I remember... yes normally hermes did not show something like this
3. no, did the whole run without /rl
4. GridBars
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby inthedrops » Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:00 pm

Ran a full raid and didn't see any issues so released 2.3.2

RedAces, I wasn't able to reproduce your issue yet but I'm keeping my eye out for it.

Here are the changes:

Added two new views:
* Bars view: This view is nearly identical to GridBars, but with no need need to specify the number of bars. The advantage is having no wasted screenspace. The disadvantage is slighly fewer layout options.
* Logger view: This acts like a mini chat frame window where spell usage and availability changes are written. It can be used as a reference to determine who is using spells at appropriate times.

Fixed bug:
* Sometimes bars would show transparent when they weren't supposed to.

This is what the Logger view looks like, it's very basic:
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby fuzzygeek » Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:45 pm

No issues all raid with me this evening as well. Sometimes one of the warrior's Rallying Cry would drop out of the display, but I never saw any problems during encounters.
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby inthedrops » Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:24 pm

fuzzygeek wrote:No issues all raid with me this evening as well. Sometimes one of the warrior's Rallying Cry would drop out of the display, but I never saw any problems during encounters.


You know what, I saw that myself one night. It's most likely something to do with how I added code so that Rallying Cry and Last Stand share the same cooldown. Thanks for reporting that.
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby RedAces » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:24 am

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/6211/wowscrnshot071111135534.jpg

Next day, same error. Upon looking at the cooldown for DivG at the spell monitor, I may see the error! 70940 as base cooldown *may* be wrong? (Is it the spell ID? ^^) Look @ screen above.

EDIT: I did a reset all and rescanned all talents and updated them. Still the same base CD.
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby RedAces » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:44 am

hey,

I really like the idea of the Logger-View, but can you expand on it a little bit please?
  • name the recipient if the spell needs one e. g.
    [Rogue] Tricks @ [Tank]
    [Druide] Rebirth @ [Dead Shammy]
  • Option to toggle off the CD-is-ready msg
  • (Maybe) output to default chatframe?
  • (Maybe) msg when the buff fades? e.g.
    [Rogue] Tricks @ [Tank]
    [Rogue] Tricks @ [Tank] faded

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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby inthedrops » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:56 am

RedAces wrote:http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/6211/wowscrnshot071111135534.jpg

Next day, same error. Upon looking at the cooldown for DivG at the spell monitor, I may see the error! 70940 as base cooldown *may* be wrong? (Is it the spell ID? ^^) Look @ screen above.

EDIT: I did a reset all and rescanned all talents and updated them. Still the same base CD.


Found the bug! I'm such a dummy...

Code: Select all
[62618] = 180,
[6940] = 120,
[61999] = 600,
[70940] = 70940,
[642] = 300,
[33206] = 180,
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby inthedrops » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:19 am

RedAces wrote:hey,

I really like the idea of the Logger-View, but can you expand on it a little bit please?


Thanks, I threw it out there to get started because I honestly wasn't sure who wanted it and how they wanted it to work. I just knew that there are people that want only logging type functionality. I expected to have to improve on it :)

name the recipient if the spell needs one

Probably going to skip this request. It's my understanding that it's challenging and would open up a new can of worms for me

Option to toggle off the CD-is-ready msg

Easily done, will do.

output to default chatframe?
This makes sense, but I might not do it. The next logical request is "now I want to customize the channel it goes to, I want it to annouce in raid if I'm raid leader, etc." and then it slowly turns into something that other mods simply do better (like ThatJustHappened). I'll throw this on my contemplation plate :)

msg when the buff fades?

I can use the duration metadata for this, I was just lazy and opted not to code it yet. I'll get it added.
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby fuzzygeek » Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:54 am

I don't think TJH can announce CD availability.

Oh, wait, TJH has a time delay, so technically it can. Duh.
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Re: Hermes: The great messenger of your raid's cooldowns!

Postby inthedrops » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:32 am

Hermes has been very successful. It's essentially become the standard for managing raid cooldowns. However, I must quit the game, which means I cannot support the addon anymore on an active basis (I won't have an active account).

I am seeking an author to take over Hermes support. I will provide indefinite support as needed from a consulting or "how does this work?" perspective, but no actual coding.

Please post here or send me a PM if you're serious about taking over Hermes. It's a considerably sized addon with many thousands of lines of code. However, it's pretty stable right now.
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