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Righteous Fury threat generation bugged - confirmed

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Postby Faelure » Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:34 am

Lore wrote:Was talking about it with one of my tankadin friends during ZA last night, this seems like a fairly logical explanation. He actually had RF on him twice somehow last night, not sure how that happened.

The mana cost bug is supposedly fixed in 2.3.2, I'd imagine if that bug is having extra side effects those would be fixed along with it. It's worth putting in a bug report though just so they know to test for it.


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But yea, I'm the pally he's talking about and neither of us had any problem holding aggro last night nor have we noticed any changes to our overall threat generation, especially not one in the negative since I have gotten a few gear upgrades since 2.3.

I always subconsciously make sure I cast RF at full or near full mana just in case this weird double cast bug does anything to the threat. I'd be interested to see if it does anything to RF's dmg reduction also. Try doing this and see if anything changes. Sounds like you're having troubles and I'm almost certainly less geared than you (restricted to Kara, ZA, and badge loot only) yet having no problems with threat post, pre, or any patch.
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Postby Myotis » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:19 pm

Faylinn wrote:Last night I noticed that the tallent tree was showing 50%, the spell book was showing 60%, and the buff was showing 90%
Something is definatly messed up...

I believe this has always been the case. Talent increase Righteous Fury by 50%. 50% of 60 is 30.

60 + 30 = 90%
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Postby kalbear » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:21 pm

Someone could test this on the PTR and see if the threat is fixed there. I suspect it's randomly caused by which RF gets cast 'first'; if the 90% one does, it gets erased. If the 60% does, it works as planned. That would account for the problems of threat and the random behavior of the effect.
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Postby Neuron » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:43 pm

i think it is just because faelure is failure!
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Postby Faelure » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:43 pm

Neuron wrote:i think it is just because faelure is failure!


WAT?
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Postby Katamai » Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:24 pm

Nerra wrote:this what I think the best test results would come from. this would be on the invulnerable mob in the blasted lands.

tps over amount of time with RF double cast (as in you cast it once and it bugs to do a double cast) at full mana

tps over amount of time with RF single cast at low mana

tps over amount of time with RF double cast AND salv on (because it should negate the effect of salv and register as a normal RF)

tps over amount of time with RF single cast (low mana) and salv on.

compare, then rinse/repeat

I'd do it myself... but I don't have the time right now


And this is what Nickki and i did (except for BoSalv) :P
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Postby Nicki » Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:35 pm

After patch will retest to see if fixed and will test melee aggro threshold (hopefully i do it tommorow after i was the walls of my house O_o)
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Postby Katamai » Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:00 pm

Nightbane - quick badge run with mains from my guild

I aoe tanked the skellies, as NB was landing i caster AS and Exorcisam, both crit, HS was up... he landed and after 2 secs i lost aggro.He killed a priest and a lock, then went back for me when people stopped dpsing.

They both said they didn't crit and i had tons of threat lead ahead of everyone in the raid and i had 598 spell dmg.

Another "oops!" moment for Righteous Fury/threat modifiers?
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Postby Faelure » Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:15 pm

Sounds like you didn't time your spells correctly.
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Postby lethario » Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:10 pm

So Morogrim went poorly tonight.

Nearly the same group as our last kill and more than once the murlocks went straight to the MT, no matter how much healin I did. 10k + on the 3 locks and they still went straight to him.

No, I didn't have salv on, yes RF was up. Did I cast it with full or low mana?
No idea.

I noticed some problems on trash and my hydross add was touchy. I think there's gotta be something not quite right.
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Postby Katamai » Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:21 am

Faelure wrote:Sounds like you didn't time your spells correctly.


So 1 sec before he landed is bad timing?
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Postby Belarkan » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:17 am

Can someone enlight me on this one.
I had the issue again on the last boss in the slave pen heroic.
I lots aggro to the hunter and shadow priest while omen said there were sitting around half my threat.

This is not the first time this boss does this to me so my question is does he reset its aggro or is there something else ?
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Postby Lakirby » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:53 am

I had a similar issue on some trash in Kara yesterday, an elemental shaman got zonked because of it. I've been very careful to cast RF at high mana, never casted at anything less than 3k mana and always out of combat.
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Postby QuantumDelta » Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:00 am

Katamai wrote:
Faelure wrote:Sounds like you didn't time your spells correctly.


So 1 sec before he landed is bad timing?
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Postby kalbear » Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:37 am

I saw this too; was killing a fel reaver for some guildies and the warrior managed to pull aggro off of me at 80% threat. Then pulled it again (after a taunt) at 84%.
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