Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Thu May 16, 2013 6:13 pm

Schroom wrote:
Worldbreaker's Stormscythe tends to pull ahead thanks to its hit/expertise itemization, but the two sword offerings (Qon's Flaming Scimitar and Do-tharak, the Swordbreaker) manage to match it in the hands of a Human.


what if you only gem full yellow hastegems. Do-tharak is the only one who will give you a socketbonus of 60 strength.

would this let it pull ahead of Worldbreaker's Stormscythe?

Probably, though it's already getting a haste/stam gem, so the difference is only 160 haste. That's still something like 400 DPS though.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Fri May 17, 2013 7:53 am

Updated the single-target rotations post with corrected data. I had to disable some of the queues (ones that combined ES with SS) because they cause the FSM code to fail now thanks to increased state size. They'll have to wait until I have time to decide how/if to fix them.

The oddity with the CS>J>AS+>HW>Cons>AS queue still exists - it has a small increase in HPG. I still have some thinking to do about this; theoretically it shouldn't happen, but I may just be missing a really strange edge case.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Derrickster » Sat May 18, 2013 6:15 pm

Looking over the sims again it looks like any time AS+ is designated over just AS the HPGs goes up so the only thing I can think of that would cause this is if separating AS+ from AS someone makes the grand crusader usable instantly either through resetting the GCD or possibly making the proc'd AS off the GCD? I'm not sure I buy this explanation but it seems to be the only thing that could possibly be wrong without really knowing how the sim (or sims in general really) work.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Mon May 20, 2013 8:55 am

That can't happen in the sim, as far as I'm aware. But I'll double-check the code.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Klaudandus » Thu May 23, 2013 1:14 pm

Ok, I might have some time off tomorrow, is there anything that needs to be tested since 5.3 came out?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Thu May 23, 2013 6:35 pm

I don't think there's anything pressing, no.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:34 am

Today's blog post is of some relevance to this thread:
http://www.sacredduty.net/2013/06/12/th ... uture-sim/
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Promdates » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:54 am

Do you have an easy way of determining the Holy Power per minute of the new Holy Avenger and Sanctified Wrath talents in 5.4?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Thels » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:49 am

Promdates wrote:Do you have an easy way of determining the Holy Power per minute of the new Holy Avenger and Sanctified Wrath talents in 5.4?


Holy Avenger didn't change, did it?

Either way, I did some napkin math earlier:

Thels wrote:Lessee... Let's assume 0% haste for a moment.

HA: Lasts 18 seconds. During these 18 seconds, we'll press CS 4 times, and J 2.66 times on average. This would generate 13.33 extra HoPo per use, or 6.66 extra HoPo per minute.

SW: Lasts 30 seconds. During these 30 seconds, we'll press J 10 times and CS 5 times. This would generate 25 total HoPo per use. Normally, in that 30 second timespawn, we'd press CS 6.66 times and J 4.44 times on average, so we'd generate 11.11 total HoPo. Therefor, SW would generate 13.88 extra HoPo per use, or 4.62 HoPo/minute.

HA also buffs the HoPo from GC, while our SW rotation actually reduces the number of GC procs while increasing the chance we waste procs from avoidance. Ergo, not only does HA generate more HoPo per minute, it also generates more HoPo per use.



To make sure Haste doesn't mess things up too much, let's check the other end of the spectrum, 50% haste:

HA: Lasts 18 seconds. During these 18 seconds, we'll press CS 6 times, and J 4 times. This would generate 20 extra HoPo per use, or 10 extra HoPo per minute.

SW: Lasts 30 seconds. During these 30 seconds, we'll press J 15 times and CS 7.5 times on average. This would generate 37.5 total HoPo per use. Normally, in that 30 second timespawn, we'd press CS 10 times and J 6.66 times on average, so we'd generate 16.66 total HoPo. Therefor, SW would generate 20.83 extra HoPo per use, or 6.94 HoPo/minute.

Again, HA also buffs the HoPo from GC, while our SW rotation actually reduces the number of GC procs while increasing the chance we waste procs from avoidance. Ergo, not only does HA generate more HoPo per minute, it also generates more HoPo per use.


Of course, that was pre-GC change, but it doesn't change much. SW comes out a little better, since the less CS presses don't lead to less GC procs. Still, HA provides extra HoPo per AS+, and the tight SW rotation still has a bigger chance of wasting GC procs, so HA still wins out on HoPo generation per use. Obviously, with a shorter CD, it wins out on HoPo generation per minute as well.

However, the generation per use is really small, so if you have more than 20% haste, and are saving it for tight moments, SW's extra healing received might top that instead. Then again, do you really need the extra healing at that moment.

Under 20% haste, SW doesn't give you 100% SotR coverage, so HA clearly wins as a defensive cooldown.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Promdates » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:35 am

I'm never looking at those talents as "defensive" cooldowns, as I would rarely use them for that (mostly because I've been running Divine Purpose since mid last tier). So in general, HA is roughly 10 HP/min. That's better than the random proc of 2-15 HP/min of Divine Purpose. Using HA with the 4P bonus and some "interesting" mechanics can make you get ~100% sotr uptime.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Thels » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:29 am

I've found HA to be a very nice DPS+Survival CD. I usually pop it at the start of the fight for some threat lead, and reducing the need for healer attention, as people are getting to their positions and what not. After that, having 50% physical damage reduction for half a minute available every two minutes can be really powerful. For a lot of situations where heavy damage is incoming, I pop HA first, and only when SotR is almost running out, do I move to my other CDs, if so required.

Didn't DP generate more HoPo overall? The tradeoff is control VS HoPo generation, right? It wouldn't make sense if DP generated less HoPo than HA.

You could sim it now. :) Switch from one talent to the other, and check your SotR uptime. Do make sure that if you're running 4 piece T15, you tell the sim to pop DP on CD, as it'll affect your HoPo generation.

Spoken about 4 piece, it should make DP a little stronger than without 4 piece, as 4 piece boosts DP, but not HA or SW.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Fetzie » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:49 am

HA is 25 seconds of ShoR on demand every 2 minutes, which DivPurp will give you over all and on average more ShoR, you have little control over when (and if) they occur. So DivPurp would be better on a fight on which you are tanking the boss the entire time and no tank swaps occur and there are no phases of massively increased damage taken (Tortos, for example) and HA would be better on a fight when you need the coverage at a specific moment (like with Iron Qon heroic when all three dogs land).
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:19 pm

Got a question... If you were to code your sim with 0%, where would our DPS be vis a vis equally geared tanks? In the case we're below other tanks, what's the theoretical amount of haste needed to just be on par with the 2nd worst tank?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:23 pm

I would imagine a paladin tank with 0% haste would be near the bottom of the totem pole, if not at the bottom. The entire reason that warriors and DKs got Riposte was to keep their damage competitive with us, monks, and druids despite the fact that the latter gear for dps stats.

I'm not sure I can answer your question directly because I'm not 100% sure how accurate the Brewmaster and Guardian modules are in SimC. DKs and Warriors should be in relatively good shape since I know they're being worked on actively.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:05 pm

theckhd wrote:I would imagine a paladin tank with 0% haste would be near the bottom of the totem pole, if not at the bottom. The entire reason that warriors and DKs got Riposte was to keep their damage competitive with us, monks, and druids despite the fact that the latter gear for dps stats.

I'm not sure I can answer your question directly because I'm not 100% sure how accurate the Brewmaster and Guardian modules are in SimC. DKs and Warriors should be in relatively good shape since I know they're being worked on actively.


ok, assume a paladin tank with only 540 Flex gear on, with the 4 best tier pieces you think are there, and the only haste he has coming from those tier pieces with haste on -- what is his dps on the sim?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:07 pm

Why don't you make up a profile and test it? You're just as capable of that as I am.

I'm not likely to have a lot of time to work on WoW stuff for the next few days, death in the family so I'll be on the road a good bit.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:11 pm

theckhd wrote:Why don't you make up a profile and test it? You're just as capable of that as I am.

I'm not likely to have a lot of time to work on WoW stuff for the next few days, death in the family so I'll be on the road a good bit.


ugh, sorry to hear that. =(
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:17 pm

Time to fire this baby up again.

I've been working on getting the MATLAB sims back up and running. Now, you might ask, "Theck, didn't you switch over to SimC?" And of course, the answer is "yes." But the MATLAB sims I used to run were designed to be a comprehensive analysis of all of the options available to us. Right now you can't easily do that in SimC. It will natively give you stat weights (which takes the place of my old Stat Comparison sims), but doesn't innately do glyphs or any of those types of things.

In the long run, this might be something I'd try and build right into SimC. But that's something I'd have to talk with the other SimC devs about in a lot of detail. In the short run, I'm far better with MATLAB than I am with C++, and have a lot more free reign to do what I want when it doesn't impact SimC's code base. Also, MATLAB makes prettier plots.

So over the past two or three months I've rebooted the matlabadin code base. It's now designed around automatically generating .simc files from interchangeable components and running SimC at the command line, as well as parsing out the results into convenient tables.

For example, for a glyph comparison, it would take a default player, talent setup, APL, etc. and then swap in every feasible combination of glyphs. It would then create a .simc file for that situation and run it in simc.exe, and then parse the output file to collect relevant data (DPS, TMI, HPS, etc.). If you do that, you get a table that looks like this:

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Max DPS Err: 88, Max DPS % Err: 0.00%
Max TMI Err: 18288.30, Max TMI % Err: 145.80%

| G1 | G2 |  G3 |    DPS |    HPS |   DTPS |     TMI |  SotR |
|  E |  E |   E | 367429 | 157433 | 157771 |   588.1 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  AS | 372376 | 157454 | 157791 |   594.9 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  AW | 367355 | 157486 | 157823 |   836.9 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  BH | 367471 | 156043 | 156789 | 18810.1 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  DA | 367334 | 157443 | 157779 |   650.6 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  DP | 367323 | 149574 | 149868 |   213.6 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  FW | 370402 | 157422 | 157756 |   737.7 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  FS | 382948 | 157464 | 157802 |   683.5 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  HW | 367394 | 157451 | 157787 |   574.5 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E |  IT | 367187 | 157468 | 157805 |   546.6 | 73.0% |
|  E |  E | WoG | 374192 | 157464 | 157801 |   598.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  AW | 372573 | 157438 | 157775 |   744.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  BH | 372412 | 156047 | 156796 | 27766.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  DA | 372398 | 157463 | 157797 |   558.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  DP | 372551 | 149533 | 149828 |   195.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  FW | 375560 | 157456 | 157796 |   700.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  FS | 387936 | 157508 | 157844 |   770.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  HW | 372523 | 157530 | 157870 |   549.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  IT | 372468 | 157485 | 157823 |   611.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS | WoG | 379624 | 157473 | 157808 |  1069.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  BH | 367482 | 156028 | 156768 | 17739.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  DA | 367290 | 157485 | 157819 |   827.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  DP | 367373 | 149570 | 149863 |   293.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  FW | 370380 | 157519 | 157854 |   490.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  FS | 382897 | 157533 | 157869 |   643.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  HW | 367504 | 157473 | 157809 |   578.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  IT | 367306 | 157452 | 157791 |   537.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW | WoG | 374239 | 157484 | 157822 |   574.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  DA | 367408 | 156010 | 156750 | 18295.2 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  DP | 367435 | 147949 | 148568 |  5281.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  FW | 370696 | 156005 | 156756 | 21465.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  FS | 382907 | 156099 | 156846 | 15959.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  HW | 367213 | 156051 | 156798 | 19145.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  IT | 367454 | 156047 | 156791 | 16126.2 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH | WoG | 374259 | 156078 | 156819 | 20736.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  DP | 367376 | 149505 | 149798 |   204.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  FW | 370483 | 157484 | 157816 |   658.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  FS | 382702 | 157538 | 157875 |   615.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  HW | 367422 | 157498 | 157834 |   561.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  IT | 367346 | 157503 | 157838 |   610.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA | WoG | 374208 | 157533 | 157869 |   523.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP |  FW | 370384 | 149598 | 149894 |   234.3 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP |  FS | 382859 | 149606 | 149903 |   217.3 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP |  HW | 367305 | 149550 | 149847 |   208.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP |  IT | 367354 | 149586 | 149881 |   249.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP | WoG | 374139 | 149574 | 149868 |   247.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | FW |  FS | 386162 | 157423 | 157758 |   987.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | FW |  HW | 370508 | 157458 | 157794 |   631.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | FW |  IT | 370425 | 157437 | 157777 |   597.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | FW | WoG | 377494 | 157527 | 157865 |   574.2 | 73.0% |
|  E | FS |  HW | 382857 | 157462 | 157800 |   540.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | FS |  IT | 382528 | 157459 | 157794 |  1007.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | FS | WoG | 390094 | 157433 | 157771 |   536.3 | 73.0% |
|  E | HW |  IT | 367378 | 157491 | 157827 |   621.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | HW | WoG | 374192 | 157472 | 157807 |   564.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | IT | WoG | 373996 | 157463 | 157797 |   736.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  AW | 372573 | 157438 | 157775 |   744.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  BH | 372412 | 156047 | 156796 | 27766.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  DA | 372398 | 157463 | 157797 |   558.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  DP | 372551 | 149533 | 149828 |   195.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  FW | 375560 | 157456 | 157796 |   700.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  FS | 387936 | 157508 | 157844 |   770.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  HW | 372523 | 157530 | 157870 |   549.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  IT | 372468 | 157485 | 157823 |   611.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | AS | WoG | 379624 | 157473 | 157808 |  1069.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  BH | 367482 | 156028 | 156768 | 17739.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  DA | 367290 | 157485 | 157819 |   827.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  DP | 367373 | 149570 | 149863 |   293.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  FW | 370380 | 157519 | 157854 |   490.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  FS | 382897 | 157533 | 157869 |   643.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  HW | 367504 | 157473 | 157809 |   578.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW |  IT | 367306 | 157452 | 157791 |   537.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | AW | WoG | 374239 | 157484 | 157822 |   574.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  DA | 367408 | 156010 | 156750 | 18295.2 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  DP | 367435 | 147949 | 148568 |  5281.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  FW | 370696 | 156005 | 156756 | 21465.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  FS | 382907 | 156099 | 156846 | 15959.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  HW | 367213 | 156051 | 156798 | 19145.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH |  IT | 367454 | 156047 | 156791 | 16126.2 | 73.0% |
|  E | BH | WoG | 374259 | 156078 | 156819 | 20736.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  DP | 367376 | 149505 | 149798 |   204.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  FW | 370483 | 157484 | 157816 |   658.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  FS | 382702 | 157538 | 157875 |   615.4 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  HW | 367422 | 157498 | 157834 |   561.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  IT | 367346 | 157503 | 157838 |   610.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | DA | WoG | 374208 | 157533 | 157869 |   523.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP |  FW | 370384 | 149598 | 149894 |   234.3 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP |  FS | 382859 | 149606 | 149903 |   217.3 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP |  HW | 367305 | 149550 | 149847 |   208.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP |  IT | 367354 | 149586 | 149881 |   249.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | DP | WoG | 374139 | 149574 | 149868 |   247.7 | 73.0% |
|  E | FW |  FS | 386162 | 157423 | 157758 |   987.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | FW |  HW | 370508 | 157458 | 157794 |   631.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | FW |  IT | 370425 | 157437 | 157777 |   597.6 | 73.0% |
|  E | FW | WoG | 377494 | 157527 | 157865 |   574.2 | 73.0% |
|  E | FS |  HW | 382857 | 157462 | 157800 |   540.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | FS |  IT | 382528 | 157459 | 157794 |  1007.8 | 73.0% |
|  E | FS | WoG | 390094 | 157433 | 157771 |   536.3 | 73.0% |
|  E | HW |  IT | 367378 | 157491 | 157827 |   621.0 | 73.0% |
|  E | HW | WoG | 374192 | 157472 | 157807 |   564.9 | 73.0% |
|  E | IT | WoG | 373996 | 157463 | 157797 |   736.7 | 73.0% |
| AS | AW |  BH | 372491 | 156045 | 156788 | 17313.8 | 73.0% |
| AS | AW |  DA | 372440 | 157475 | 157810 |   516.5 | 73.0% |
| AS | AW |  DP | 372516 | 149582 | 149877 |   206.4 | 73.0% |
| AS | AW |  FW | 375663 | 157449 | 157782 |   686.5 | 73.0% |
| AS | AW |  FS | 387881 | 157495 | 157833 |   541.7 | 73.0% |
| AS | AW |  HW | 372492 | 157468 | 157806 |   556.4 | 73.0% |
| AS | AW |  IT | 372615 | 157439 | 157774 |   594.5 | 73.0% |
| AS | AW | WoG | 379569 | 157473 | 157812 |   566.6 | 73.0% |
| AS | BH |  DA | 372412 | 156023 | 156771 | 26422.7 | 73.0% |
| AS | BH |  DP | 372387 | 148046 | 148677 |  5376.7 | 73.0% |
| AS | BH |  FW | 375577 | 156014 | 156749 | 22009.2 | 73.0% |
| AS | BH |  FS | 387928 | 156086 | 156829 | 21168.3 | 73.0% |
| AS | BH |  HW | 372371 | 156013 | 156760 | 16596.6 | 73.0% |
| AS | BH |  IT | 372613 | 156035 | 156780 | 18042.1 | 73.0% |
| AS | BH | WoG | 379494 | 156057 | 156806 | 23198.6 | 73.0% |
| AS | DA |  DP | 372452 | 149592 | 149886 |   225.7 | 73.0% |
| AS | DA |  FW | 375653 | 157486 | 157821 |   560.4 | 73.0% |
| AS | DA |  FS | 388030 | 157459 | 157794 |   514.1 | 73.0% |
| AS | DA |  HW | 372469 | 157481 | 157822 |   614.1 | 73.0% |
| AS | DA |  IT | 372473 | 157532 | 157868 |   714.5 | 73.0% |
| AS | DA | WoG | 379708 | 157443 | 157780 |   637.7 | 73.0% |
| AS | DP |  FW | 375460 | 149593 | 149888 |   213.0 | 73.0% |
| AS | DP |  FS | 388058 | 149557 | 149854 |   225.0 | 73.0% |
| AS | DP |  HW | 372485 | 149577 | 149871 |   210.0 | 73.0% |
| AS | DP |  IT | 372263 | 149585 | 149879 |   186.2 | 73.0% |
| AS | DP | WoG | 379351 | 149611 | 149909 |   213.4 | 73.0% |
| AS | FW |  FS | 391406 | 157456 | 157796 |   571.9 | 73.0% |
| AS | FW |  HW | 375650 | 157548 | 157886 |   714.1 | 73.0% |
| AS | FW |  IT | 375741 | 157485 | 157821 |   531.0 | 73.0% |
| AS | FW | WoG | 382769 | 157509 | 157845 |   576.7 | 73.0% |
| AS | FS |  HW | 388041 | 157452 | 157788 |   689.4 | 73.0% |
| AS | FS |  IT | 388046 | 157480 | 157814 |   529.0 | 73.0% |
| AS | FS | WoG | 395388 | 157420 | 157757 |   819.0 | 73.0% |
| AS | HW |  IT | 372376 | 157479 | 157813 |   562.5 | 73.0% |
| AS | HW | WoG | 379526 | 157500 | 157836 |   656.6 | 73.0% |
| AS | IT | WoG | 379351 | 157492 | 157828 |   615.7 | 73.0% |
| AW | BH |  DA | 367430 | 156054 | 156792 | 16702.3 | 73.0% |
| AW | BH |  DP | 367436 | 147972 | 148592 |  5480.5 | 73.0% |
| AW | BH |  FW | 370471 | 156046 | 156790 | 23613.6 | 73.0% |
| AW | BH |  FS | 382908 | 156035 | 156784 | 17610.4 | 73.0% |
| AW | BH |  HW | 367322 | 156035 | 156780 | 18074.3 | 73.0% |
| AW | BH |  IT | 367409 | 156030 | 156773 | 16844.8 | 73.0% |
| AW | BH | WoG | 374329 | 156075 | 156821 | 17940.0 | 73.0% |
| AW | DA |  DP | 367330 | 149520 | 149816 |   197.1 | 73.0% |
| AW | DA |  FW | 370557 | 157463 | 157799 |   538.3 | 73.0% |
| AW | DA |  FS | 382837 | 157461 | 157796 |   535.2 | 73.0% |
| AW | DA |  HW | 367311 | 157463 | 157799 |   576.9 | 73.0% |
| AW | DA |  IT | 367342 | 157489 | 157825 |   514.5 | 73.0% |
| AW | DA | WoG | 374293 | 157485 | 157823 |   558.6 | 73.0% |
| AW | DP |  FW | 370659 | 149566 | 149861 |   208.7 | 73.0% |
| AW | DP |  FS | 382923 | 149543 | 149836 |   215.8 | 73.0% |
| AW | DP |  HW | 367185 | 149544 | 149839 |   212.1 | 73.0% |
| AW | DP |  IT | 367226 | 149577 | 149873 |   205.3 | 73.0% |
| AW | DP | WoG | 374264 | 149555 | 149852 |   196.7 | 73.0% |
| AW | FW |  FS | 386266 | 157507 | 157846 |   536.9 | 73.0% |
| AW | FW |  HW | 370720 | 157413 | 157749 |   680.2 | 73.0% |
| AW | FW |  IT | 370341 | 157488 | 157822 |   544.0 | 73.0% |
| AW | FW | WoG | 377396 | 157554 | 157889 |   646.0 | 73.0% |
| AW | FS |  HW | 382920 | 157462 | 157799 |   755.5 | 73.0% |
| AW | FS |  IT | 382786 | 157464 | 157800 |   700.4 | 73.0% |
| AW | FS | WoG | 390205 | 157464 | 157796 |   632.7 | 73.0% |
| AW | HW |  IT | 367339 | 157454 | 157790 |   892.3 | 73.0% |
| AW | HW | WoG | 374059 | 157497 | 157835 |   780.5 | 73.0% |
| AW | IT | WoG | 374266 | 157491 | 157828 |   709.5 | 73.0% |
| BH | DA |  DP | 367260 | 148061 | 148679 |  5734.4 | 73.0% |
| BH | DA |  FW | 370593 | 156035 | 156777 | 18053.9 | 73.0% |
| BH | DA |  FS | 382860 | 156021 | 156768 | 15837.7 | 73.0% |
| BH | DA |  HW | 367162 | 156094 | 156838 | 19635.2 | 73.0% |
| BH | DA |  IT | 367478 | 155947 | 156688 | 16970.1 | 73.0% |
| BH | DA | WoG | 374178 | 156106 | 156845 | 24922.8 | 73.0% |
| BH | DP |  FW | 370598 | 148024 | 148647 |  5985.9 | 73.0% |
| BH | DP |  FS | 382844 | 148008 | 148633 |  5437.0 | 73.0% |
| BH | DP |  HW | 367418 | 147915 | 148539 |  6754.4 | 73.0% |
| BH | DP |  IT | 367435 | 147934 | 148556 |  4955.3 | 73.0% |
| BH | DP | WoG | 374209 | 147948 | 148573 |  7679.0 | 73.0% |
| BH | FW |  FS | 386184 | 156012 | 156758 | 16644.6 | 73.0% |
| BH | FW |  HW | 370429 | 156085 | 156832 | 18446.5 | 73.0% |
| BH | FW |  IT | 370211 | 156061 | 156804 | 16772.8 | 73.0% |
| BH | FW | WoG | 377584 | 156031 | 156780 | 17625.0 | 73.0% |
| BH | FS |  HW | 382874 | 156057 | 156803 | 15635.8 | 73.0% |
| BH | FS |  IT | 382882 | 156054 | 156800 | 18322.5 | 73.0% |
| BH | FS | WoG | 389977 | 156020 | 156758 | 18379.6 | 73.0% |
| BH | HW |  IT | 367366 | 156050 | 156791 | 26511.9 | 73.0% |
| BH | HW | WoG | 374293 | 156051 | 156799 | 16886.9 | 73.0% |
| BH | IT | WoG | 374196 | 156062 | 156812 | 16054.8 | 73.0% |
| DA | DP |  FW | 370381 | 149562 | 149856 |   205.5 | 73.0% |
| DA | DP |  FS | 382963 | 149552 | 149849 |   213.4 | 73.0% |
| DA | DP |  HW | 367446 | 149569 | 149866 |   228.2 | 73.0% |
| DA | DP |  IT | 367326 | 149549 | 149845 |   201.3 | 73.0% |
| DA | DP | WoG | 374264 | 149524 | 149820 |   199.3 | 73.0% |
| DA | FW |  FS | 386123 | 157418 | 157756 |   710.4 | 73.0% |
| DA | FW |  HW | 370508 | 157497 | 157836 |   575.2 | 73.0% |
| DA | FW |  IT | 370444 | 157470 | 157805 |   547.3 | 73.0% |
| DA | FW | WoG | 377029 | 157528 | 157865 |   620.0 | 73.0% |
| DA | FS |  HW | 382904 | 157480 | 157816 |   963.2 | 73.0% |
| DA | FS |  IT | 382923 | 157506 | 157841 |   572.0 | 73.0% |
| DA | FS | WoG | 389881 | 157418 | 157752 |   533.8 | 73.0% |
| DA | HW |  IT | 367178 | 157448 | 157783 |   523.4 | 73.0% |
| DA | HW | WoG | 374171 | 157486 | 157821 |   547.7 | 73.0% |
| DA | IT | WoG | 374096 | 157422 | 157755 |   553.3 | 73.0% |
| DP | FW |  FS | 385926 | 149586 | 149882 |   208.9 | 73.0% |
| DP | FW |  HW | 370413 | 149575 | 149868 |   210.8 | 73.0% |
| DP | FW |  IT | 370537 | 149541 | 149836 |   238.1 | 73.0% |
| DP | FW | WoG | 377598 | 149572 | 149868 |   214.2 | 73.0% |
| DP | FS |  HW | 382750 | 149540 | 149834 |   224.9 | 73.0% |
| DP | FS |  IT | 382505 | 149600 | 149895 |   194.3 | 73.0% |
| DP | FS | WoG | 389830 | 149573 | 149868 |   384.7 | 73.0% |
| DP | HW |  IT | 367080 | 149603 | 149896 |   210.2 | 73.0% |
| DP | HW | WoG | 374140 | 149634 | 149929 |   380.1 | 73.0% |
| DP | IT | WoG | 374259 | 149550 | 149845 |   233.4 | 73.0% |
| FW | FS |  HW | 386041 | 157506 | 157844 |   653.0 | 73.0% |
| FW | FS |  IT | 386155 | 157509 | 157844 |   584.5 | 73.0% |
| FW | FS | WoG | 393219 | 157469 | 157805 |   566.7 | 73.0% |
| FW | HW |  IT | 370762 | 157489 | 157828 |   601.3 | 73.0% |
| FW | HW | WoG | 377486 | 157486 | 157820 |   539.7 | 73.0% |
| FW | IT | WoG | 377677 | 157423 | 157758 |   551.9 | 73.0% |
| FS | HW |  IT | 382630 | 157505 | 157840 |   513.8 | 73.0% |
| FS | HW | WoG | 389911 | 157495 | 157830 |  2258.5 | 73.0% |
| FS | IT | WoG | 390107 | 157439 | 157773 |   572.1 | 73.0% |
| HW | IT | WoG | 374174 | 157426 | 157760 |  1282.2 | 73.0% |


Which is awfully long, but contains every relevant glyph combination so you can compare them. I'll have a blog post up later this week with a sortable version of this data in table form.

However, it would also be useful to have a short version that just lists the impact of each single glyph. This is just a subset of the table above, but it's still useful to have extra detail (including the DPS variance and delta compared to no glyphs):

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Single-Glyph List

| Glyph |    DPS | Err | Delta |    HPS |   DTPS |     TMI |  SotR |
|     E | 367429 |  78 |     0 | 157433 | 157771 |   588.1 | 73.0% |
|    AS | 372376 |  78 |  4947 | 157454 | 157791 |   594.9 | 73.0% |
|    AW | 367355 |  79 |   -74 | 157486 | 157823 |   836.9 | 73.0% |
|    BH | 367471 |  78 |    42 | 156043 | 156789 | 18810.1 | 73.0% |
|    DA | 367334 |  78 |   -95 | 157443 | 157779 |   650.6 | 73.0% |
|    DP | 367323 |  83 |  -106 | 149574 | 149868 |   213.6 | 73.0% |
|    FW | 370402 |  83 |  2973 | 157422 | 157756 |   737.7 | 73.0% |
|    FS | 382948 |  78 | 15519 | 157464 | 157802 |   683.5 | 73.0% |
|    HW | 367394 |  78 |   -35 | 157451 | 157787 |   574.5 | 73.0% |
|    IT | 367187 |  80 |  -242 | 157468 | 157805 |   546.6 | 73.0% |
|   WoG | 374192 |  78 |  6763 | 157464 | 157801 |   598.9 | 73.0% |


And of course, we don't need to stop there; we can automatically sort and display the top 10 DPS glyph combinations as well as the lowest 10 TMI glyph setups:

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Top 10 DPS specs

| G1 | G2 |  G3 |    DPS | Err |  %Err |    HPS |   DTPS |     TMI |  SotR |
| AS | FS | WoG | 395388 |  85 | 0.00% | 157420 | 157757 |   819.0 | 73.0% |
| FW | FS | WoG | 393219 |  88 | 0.00% | 157469 | 157805 |   566.7 | 73.0% |
| AS | FW |  FS | 391406 |  86 | 0.00% | 157456 | 157796 |   571.9 | 73.0% |
| AW | FS | WoG | 390205 |  85 | 0.00% | 157464 | 157796 |   632.7 | 73.0% |
| FS | IT | WoG | 390107 |  85 | 0.00% | 157439 | 157773 |   572.1 | 73.0% |
|  E | FS | WoG | 390094 |  85 | 0.00% | 157433 | 157771 |   536.3 | 73.0% |
|  E | FS | WoG | 390094 |  85 | 0.00% | 157433 | 157771 |   536.3 | 73.0% |
| BH | FS | WoG | 389977 |  86 | 0.00% | 156020 | 156758 | 18379.6 | 73.0% |
| FS | HW | WoG | 389911 |  85 | 0.00% | 157495 | 157830 |  2258.5 | 73.0% |
| DA | FS | WoG | 389881 |  85 | 0.00% | 157418 | 157752 |   533.8 | 73.0% |


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Lowest 10 TMI specs

| G1 | G2 |  G3 |    DPS |    HPS |   DTPS |   TMI |   Err |   %Err |  SotR |
| AS | DP |  IT | 372263 | 149585 | 149879 | 186.2 | 10.80 |  5.80% | 73.0% |
| DP | FS |  IT | 382505 | 149600 | 149895 | 194.3 | 13.40 |  6.90% | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  DP | 372551 | 149533 | 149828 | 195.9 | 18.90 |  9.60% | 73.0% |
|  E | AS |  DP | 372551 | 149533 | 149828 | 195.9 | 18.90 |  9.60% | 73.0% |
| AW | DP | WoG | 374264 | 149555 | 149852 | 196.7 | 14.00 |  7.10% | 73.0% |
| AW | DA |  DP | 367330 | 149520 | 149816 | 197.1 | 18.70 |  9.50% | 73.0% |
| DA | DP | WoG | 374264 | 149524 | 149820 | 199.3 | 22.30 | 11.20% | 73.0% |
| DA | DP |  IT | 367326 | 149549 | 149845 | 201.3 | 16.50 |  8.20% | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  DP | 367376 | 149505 | 149798 | 204.7 | 36.00 | 17.60% | 73.0% |
|  E | DA |  DP | 367376 | 149505 | 149798 | 204.7 | 36.00 | 17.60% | 73.0% |



All of the data (.simc files as well as .html and .txt output files) can be found in the /io/ folder:
http://code.google.com/p/matlabadin/sou ... Fsimc%2Fio

So you can call up any individual configuration to check the data in more detail. For these I'm using a basic BE paladin using the T16N gear set (in SimC) against the T16N25 TMI standard boss; I believe the APL is the same as the default in SimC. The default talent setup is 312232 (EF+US+DP+LH).

I've repeated this for talents as well:

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Max DPS Err: 84, Max DPS % Err: 0.00%
Max TMI Err: 293729.90, Max TMI % Err: 39.60%

| Talents | L45 | L60 | L75 | L90 |    DPS |    HPS |   DTPS |       TMI |  SotR |
|  311111 |  SH |  PU |  HA |  ES | 391915 | 121923 | 160709 | 6659699.1 | 70.0% |
|  311121 |  SH |  PU |  SW |  ES | 388369 | 125390 | 168711 | 7050624.6 | 63.0% |
|  311131 |  SH |  PU |  DP |  ES | 385452 | 123136 | 159174 | 3769621.2 | 70.0% |
|  312111 |  EF |  PU |  HA |  ES | 391641 | 159777 | 160136 |    2289.9 | 70.0% |
|  312121 |  EF |  PU |  SW |  ES | 388200 | 167794 | 168280 |    2862.0 | 63.0% |
|  312131 |  EF |  PU |  DP |  ES | 388684 | 155848 | 156199 |    1331.2 | 73.0% |
|  313111 |  SS |  PU |  HA |  ES | 382052 | 113040 | 116570 |  226627.2 | 69.0% |
|  313121 |  SS |  PU |  SW |  ES | 377978 | 118949 | 125075 |  298190.6 | 62.0% |
|  313131 |  SS |  PU |  DP |  ES | 375552 | 112176 | 115596 |  134765.9 | 69.0% |
|  311112 |  SH |  PU |  HA |  LH | 391244 | 119517 | 160510 | 6330481.6 | 71.0% |
|  311122 |  SH |  PU |  SW |  LH | 388708 | 123135 | 168590 | 6395876.1 | 63.0% |
|  311132 |  SH |  PU |  DP |  LH | 384617 | 120840 | 158833 | 3555404.6 | 70.0% |
|  312112 |  EF |  PU |  HA |  LH | 391120 | 159617 | 159977 |    2902.2 | 71.0% |
|  312122 |  EF |  PU |  SW |  LH | 388944 | 167637 | 168116 |    2893.0 | 63.0% |
|  312132 |  EF |  PU |  DP |  LH | 387866 | 155608 | 155950 |     968.3 | 73.0% |
|  313112 |  SS |  PU |  HA |  LH | 382388 | 112380 | 116589 |  250689.4 | 69.0% |
|  313122 |  SS |  PU |  SW |  LH | 379559 | 118162 | 125125 |  277866.5 | 62.0% |
|  313132 |  SS |  PU |  DP |  LH | 376155 | 111696 | 115616 |  138296.7 | 69.0% |
|  311113 |  SH |  PU |  HA |  HP | 403248 | 111387 | 160509 | 8468304.7 | 71.0% |
|  311123 |  SH |  PU |  SW |  HP | 401375 | 114837 | 168569 | 9262060.2 | 63.0% |
|  311133 |  SH |  PU |  DP |  HP | 396852 | 112602 | 158785 | 4686608.8 | 70.0% |
|  312113 |  EF |  PU |  HA |  HP | 403339 | 159400 | 159787 |    3775.0 | 71.0% |
|  312123 |  EF |  PU |  SW |  HP | 401252 | 167395 | 167921 |    3709.4 | 63.0% |
|  312133 |  EF |  PU |  DP |  HP | 400182 | 155383 | 155755 |    1366.1 | 73.0% |
|  313113 |  SS |  PU |  HA |  HP | 394550 | 107872 | 116750 |  363972.3 | 69.0% |
|  313123 |  SS |  PU |  SW |  HP | 392203 | 112022 | 125248 |  420663.0 | 62.0% |
|  313133 |  SS |  PU |  DP |  HP | 388233 | 107848 | 115747 |  201026.1 | 69.0% |
|  311211 |  SH |  US |  HA |  ES | 391825 | 123384 | 153557 |  859073.8 | 70.0% |
|  311221 |  SH |  US |  SW |  ES | 388102 | 126251 | 161484 | 1054183.9 | 63.0% |
|  311231 |  SH |  US |  DP |  ES | 385437 | 124563 | 152281 |  524951.4 | 70.0% |
|  312211 |  EF |  US |  HA |  ES | 391824 | 153606 | 153907 |     442.7 | 70.0% |
|  312221 |  EF |  US |  SW |  ES | 388194 | 161475 | 161867 |     735.9 | 63.0% |
|  312231 |  EF |  US |  DP |  ES | 388627 | 149833 | 150132 |     272.4 | 73.0% |
|  313211 |  SS |  US |  HA |  ES | 382041 | 107933 | 109388 |   24240.0 | 69.0% |
|  313221 |  SS |  US |  SW |  ES | 377828 | 114919 | 117598 |   34267.1 | 62.0% |
|  313231 |  SS |  US |  DP |  ES | 375730 | 107248 | 108692 |   14838.8 | 69.0% |
|  311212 |  SH |  US |  HA |  LH | 390997 | 121134 | 153348 |  753032.4 | 71.0% |
|  311222 |  SH |  US |  SW |  LH | 388631 | 124118 | 161326 | 1080163.3 | 63.0% |
|  311232 |  SH |  US |  DP |  LH | 384737 | 122424 | 152032 |  500356.3 | 70.0% |
|  312212 |  EF |  US |  HA |  LH | 391302 | 153414 | 153716 |     423.1 | 71.0% |
|  312222 |  EF |  US |  SW |  LH | 388657 | 161300 | 161688 |     563.9 | 63.0% |
|  312232 |  EF |  US |  DP |  LH | 388086 | 149540 | 149832 |     216.3 | 73.0% |
|  313212 |  SS |  US |  HA |  LH | 382266 | 107749 | 109451 |   25367.7 | 69.0% |
|  313222 |  SS |  US |  SW |  LH | 379472 | 114575 | 117620 |   37985.6 | 62.0% |
|  313232 |  SS |  US |  DP |  LH | 376220 | 106990 | 108622 |   13449.7 | 69.0% |
|  311213 |  SH |  US |  HA |  HP | 403211 | 112976 | 153377 | 1180576.5 | 71.0% |
|  311223 |  SH |  US |  SW |  HP | 401249 | 115828 | 161368 | 1459474.4 | 63.0% |
|  311233 |  SH |  US |  DP |  HP | 396950 | 114130 | 151945 |  689317.8 | 70.0% |
|  312213 |  EF |  US |  HA |  HP | 403333 | 153305 | 153621 |     520.2 | 71.0% |
|  312223 |  EF |  US |  SW |  HP | 401307 | 161101 | 161520 |     772.7 | 63.0% |
|  312233 |  EF |  US |  DP |  HP | 399801 | 149415 | 149725 |     329.6 | 73.0% |
|  313213 |  SS |  US |  HA |  HP | 394482 | 106015 | 109583 |   39668.4 | 69.0% |
|  313223 |  SS |  US |  SW |  HP | 391976 | 111127 | 117846 |   55003.5 | 62.0% |
|  313233 |  SS |  US |  DP |  HP | 388281 | 105286 | 108634 |   25197.8 | 69.0% |
|  311311 |  SH |  CL |  HA |  ES | 391998 | 121925 | 160713 | 6437411.1 | 70.0% |
|  311321 |  SH |  CL |  SW |  ES | 388133 | 125406 | 168723 | 6926706.1 | 63.0% |
|  311331 |  SH |  CL |  DP |  ES | 385413 | 123133 | 159153 | 3787726.0 | 70.0% |
|  312311 |  EF |  CL |  HA |  ES | 391754 | 159838 | 160197 |    2264.1 | 70.0% |
|  312321 |  EF |  CL |  SW |  ES | 388159 | 167783 | 168268 |    3120.1 | 63.0% |
|  312331 |  EF |  CL |  DP |  ES | 388543 | 155839 | 156189 |    1262.6 | 73.0% |
|  313311 |  SS |  CL |  HA |  ES | 382019 | 113035 | 116552 |  243352.5 | 69.0% |
|  313321 |  SS |  CL |  SW |  ES | 378033 | 118942 | 125031 |  288116.0 | 62.0% |
|  313331 |  SS |  CL |  DP |  ES | 375883 | 112215 | 115627 |  128050.4 | 69.0% |
|  311312 |  SH |  CL |  HA |  LH | 390948 | 119542 | 160539 | 6521195.6 | 71.0% |
|  311322 |  SH |  CL |  SW |  LH | 388724 | 123120 | 168591 | 6380333.5 | 63.0% |
|  311332 |  SH |  CL |  DP |  LH | 384834 | 120828 | 158806 | 3406386.9 | 70.0% |
|  312312 |  EF |  CL |  HA |  LH | 391179 | 159658 | 160019 |    2447.5 | 71.0% |
|  312322 |  EF |  CL |  SW |  LH | 388859 | 167590 | 168072 |    3076.3 | 63.0% |
|  312332 |  EF |  CL |  DP |  LH | 388118 | 155544 | 155885 |     914.6 | 73.0% |
|  313312 |  SS |  CL |  HA |  LH | 382321 | 112374 | 116564 |  253185.3 | 69.0% |
|  313322 |  SS |  CL |  SW |  LH | 379505 | 118122 | 125072 |  286933.3 | 62.0% |
|  313332 |  SS |  CL |  DP |  LH | 376219 | 111638 | 115551 |  128082.8 | 69.0% |
|  311313 |  SH |  CL |  HA |  HP | 403172 | 111397 | 160498 | 8471353.9 | 71.0% |
|  311323 |  SH |  CL |  SW |  HP | 401415 | 114830 | 168578 | 9243176.7 | 63.0% |
|  311333 |  SH |  CL |  DP |  HP | 396961 | 112609 | 158811 | 4872951.1 | 70.0% |
|  312313 |  EF |  CL |  HA |  HP | 403360 | 159434 | 159823 |    3014.5 | 71.0% |
|  312323 |  EF |  CL |  SW |  HP | 401393 | 167421 | 167950 |    3624.0 | 63.0% |
|  312333 |  EF |  CL |  DP |  HP | 400248 | 155384 | 155756 |    1382.0 | 73.0% |
|  313313 |  SS |  CL |  HA |  HP | 394534 | 107846 | 116745 |  385873.7 | 69.0% |
|  313323 |  SS |  CL |  SW |  HP | 392171 | 112026 | 125250 |  407496.3 | 62.0% |
|  313333 |  SS |  CL |  DP |  HP | 388276 | 107822 | 115717 |  198437.3 | 69.0% |


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| Talents | L45 | L60 | L75 | L90 |    DPS |    HPS |   DTPS |       TMI |  SotR |
|  311212 |  SH |  US |  HA |  LH | 390997 | 121134 | 153348 |  753032.4 | 71.0% |
|  311222 |  SH |  US |  SW |  LH | 388631 | 124118 | 161326 | 1080163.3 | 63.0% |
|  311232 |  SH |  US |  DP |  LH | 384737 | 122424 | 152032 |  500356.3 | 70.0% |
|  312212 |  EF |  US |  HA |  LH | 391302 | 153414 | 153716 |     423.1 | 71.0% |
|  312222 |  EF |  US |  SW |  LH | 388657 | 161300 | 161688 |     563.9 | 63.0% |
|  312232 |  EF |  US |  DP |  LH | 388086 | 149540 | 149832 |     216.3 | 73.0% |
|  313212 |  SS |  US |  HA |  LH | 382266 | 107749 | 109451 |   25367.7 | 69.0% |
|  313222 |  SS |  US |  SW |  LH | 379472 | 114575 | 117620 |   37985.6 | 62.0% |
|  313232 |  SS |  US |  DP |  LH | 376220 | 106990 | 108622 |   13449.7 | 69.0% |


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Top 10 DPS specs

| Talents | L45 | L60 | L75 | L90 |    DPS | Err |  %Err |    HPS |   DTPS |       TMI |  SotR |
|  312313 |  EF |  CL |  HA |  HP | 403360 |  76 | 0.00% | 159434 | 159823 |    3014.5 | 71.0% |
|  312113 |  EF |  PU |  HA |  HP | 403339 |  76 | 0.00% | 159400 | 159787 |    3775.0 | 71.0% |
|  312213 |  EF |  US |  HA |  HP | 403333 |  77 | 0.00% | 153305 | 153621 |     520.2 | 71.0% |
|  311113 |  SH |  PU |  HA |  HP | 403248 |  76 | 0.00% | 111387 | 160509 | 8468304.7 | 71.0% |
|  311213 |  SH |  US |  HA |  HP | 403211 |  76 | 0.00% | 112976 | 153377 | 1180576.5 | 71.0% |
|  311313 |  SH |  CL |  HA |  HP | 403172 |  76 | 0.00% | 111397 | 160498 | 8471353.9 | 71.0% |
|  311323 |  SH |  CL |  SW |  HP | 401415 |  69 | 0.00% | 114830 | 168578 | 9243176.7 | 63.0% |
|  312323 |  EF |  CL |  SW |  HP | 401393 |  69 | 0.00% | 167421 | 167950 |    3624.0 | 63.0% |
|  311123 |  SH |  PU |  SW |  HP | 401375 |  69 | 0.00% | 114837 | 168569 | 9262060.2 | 63.0% |
|  312223 |  EF |  US |  SW |  HP | 401307 |  70 | 0.00% | 161101 | 161520 |     772.7 | 63.0% |


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Lowest 10 TMI specs

| Talents | L45 | L60 | L75 | L90 |    DPS |    HPS |   DTPS |   TMI |    Err |   %Err |  SotR |
|  312232 |  EF |  US |  DP |  LH | 388086 | 149540 | 149832 | 216.3 |  31.30 | 14.50% | 73.0% |
|  312231 |  EF |  US |  DP |  ES | 388627 | 149833 | 150132 | 272.4 |  54.20 | 19.90% | 73.0% |
|  312233 |  EF |  US |  DP |  HP | 399801 | 149415 | 149725 | 329.6 |  65.80 | 20.00% | 73.0% |
|  312212 |  EF |  US |  HA |  LH | 391302 | 153414 | 153716 | 423.1 | 101.50 | 24.00% | 71.0% |
|  312211 |  EF |  US |  HA |  ES | 391824 | 153606 | 153907 | 442.7 |  93.20 | 21.00% | 70.0% |
|  312213 |  EF |  US |  HA |  HP | 403333 | 153305 | 153621 | 520.2 |  49.40 |  9.50% | 71.0% |
|  312222 |  EF |  US |  SW |  LH | 388657 | 161300 | 161688 | 563.9 |  63.50 | 11.30% | 63.0% |
|  312221 |  EF |  US |  SW |  ES | 388194 | 161475 | 161867 | 735.9 | 291.20 | 39.60% | 63.0% |
|  312223 |  EF |  US |  SW |  HP | 401307 | 161101 | 161520 | 772.7 | 155.80 | 20.20% | 63.0% |
|  312332 |  EF |  CL |  DP |  LH | 388118 | 155544 | 155885 | 914.6 |  84.60 |  9.30% | 73.0% |
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:20 pm

So far the Glyph and Talent comparisons are the only two I've finished. Obviously there will be a rotation simulation as well (probably one for ST and a separate one for AoE). My current plan is to use SimC's built-in stat weight generator for the stat weight simulations. Weapon sims are also on the list (possibly before rotation, just because they're far simpler than the rotation one). Not sure if I'm going to bother with food/enchant sims yet, probably at least not until WoD beta is farther along.

What I mostly need at this point is eyes to look over the data for inconsistencies, or weird things that stand out. Also advice on formatting, other data you'd like to see, etc.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Thels » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:08 am

So for DPS, our best glyphs are, in order:

- Focused Shield (Of course, this would only apply against a single target.)
- Word of Glory
- Alabaster Shield
- Final Wrath

So take the top 1, 2 or 3 depending on how many utility glyphs you take, and for fights where you want to damage more than 1 target, replace Focused Shield by the next glyph on the list, or perhaps with Double Jeopardy?

Interesting note. Check the one entry that includes BH, and see our TMI skyrocket. Bad glyph is bad. Though I wonder why the Focused Shield-Holy Wrath-Word of Glory glyph combo has such a high TMI in comparison to the others.

The glyphs for lowest TMI are a mess. All 10 entries list DP and 2 other entries at random. The probable cause is that DP is the only glyph that affects TMI. Immediate Truth for TMI? :P

Also, in either top 10 glyph lists, if the first slot is empty, it includes that line twice.

For DPS and TMI, does it assume you cast HP on yourself or your opponent? For ES I assume you cast it on your opponent. Perhaps it would be interesting to include two variants of HP and ES. One self-targeted and one boss-targeted, but I don't know how tricky it is to pull that off.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Schroom » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:32 am

Thanks a lot for the work, but I am also a bit confused about some stuff...

WoG highest DPS glyph?

doesn't the WOG glyph only procc when you cast wog/Ef on a friendly target and not on yourself?

I mean, we are wasting 3 Holy power, thereby using one less SOTR.

so the damagebuff from the glyph is more DPS than one SOTR? (also it should have implications on AS)


if so, how often do we have to cast Wog/EF on a friendly target for it to be on that spott?

similar question as Thels.

for TMI what defensive impact has AS and even more IT? we don't even use SoT.... at least not for TMI...
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Thels » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:12 am

Schroom wrote:Thanks a lot for the work, but I am also a bit confused about some stuff...

WoG highest DPS glyph?

doesn't the WOG glyph only procc when you cast wog/Ef on a friendly target and not on yourself?

I mean, we are wasting 3 Holy power, thereby using one less SOTR.

so the damagebuff from the glyph is more DPS than one SOTR? (also it should have implications on AS)

if so, how often do we have to cast Wog/EF on a friendly target for it to be on that spott?


I naturally assumed the user would be specced for Eternal Flame, and wouldn't actively WoG outside of keeping EF up. This is of course debate-able, as people use different 'rules' for keeping EF active. If you don't use Eternal Flame, you probably do not want to use the WoG glyph.

I just checked (I'm EU, so 5.4.1), and with the Glyph, if I cast EF on myself, I do receive the following buff: Glyph of Word of Glory



Schroom wrote:similar question as Thels.

for TMI what defensive impact has AS and even more IT? we don't even use SoT.... at least not for TMI...


IT should have zero effect, since we're not using SoT. AS might have a minuscule effect, since it increases our damage output, and thus reduces the length of the fight, but I don't think that's how the sim works.

The sim does include RNG, so if 2 setups are supposed to give identical results, one might have gotten just a tad luckier than the other on the rare occasion. These minor differences don't matter if one setup is actually stronger than the other, since the difference in strength usually outweights the difference in RNG, but if two setups are identical, RNG will favor one over the other.

If Theck were to run things again, I'm pretty sure we'd get the results in a different order, with some results replaced by others. They'll all have DS, and none of them will have BH. Other than that, they'll be unpredictable.

Though it makes me wonder why AW's not listed in the top one. Is it's benefit so insignificant that RNG knocks it off the top spot, or does the rotation never pop AW?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Schroom » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:52 am

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I just checked (I'm EU, so 5.4.1), and with the Glyph, if I cast EF on myself, I do receive the following buff: Glyph of Word of Glory


ok. thanks just came home and wanted to test it myself (and i will in a coupleof minutes)

allthough this is new then? or did I miss this completely and messed it up? :P
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby Thels » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:08 am

I don't think it has been changed, but I'm not sure. I never actually used the Glyph as pre-EF it wasn't worth it.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - MoP/5.x

Postby theckhd » Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:30 pm

Thels wrote:So for DPS, our best glyphs are, in order:

- Focused Shield (Of course, this would only apply against a single target.)
- Word of Glory
- Alabaster Shield
- Final Wrath

So take the top 1, 2 or 3 depending on how many utility glyphs you take, and for fights where you want to damage more than 1 target, replace Focused Shield by the next glyph on the list, or perhaps with Double Jeopardy?

Yep. I haven't simmed DJ yet because it's not properly implemented in SimC yet. On the to-do list, but low priority.

Thels wrote:Though I wonder why the Focused Shield-Holy Wrath-Word of Glory glyph combo has such a high TMI in comparison to the others.

Probably not true to within error margins. The sims are already suffering from the "you generate more HPS than you take in DTPS, on average" problem which exaggerates RNG a bit. I'd have to look back at the raw data, but I think the TMI uncertainty is in the hundreds for those runs.

Thels wrote:The glyphs for lowest TMI are a mess. All 10 entries list DP and 2 other entries at random. The probable cause is that DP is the only glyph that affects TMI.

Yeah, at this point DP is the only glyph that has any significant effect, so the "low TMI" sets are just all DP + random stuff. I haven't decided what (if anything) to do about that yet. In some sense, it's sort of irrelevant since we only have one glyph that matters for TMI, so we could really get by with two setups to see the effect: E/E/E and E/E/DP.



Thels wrote:Also, in either top 10 glyph lists, if the first slot is empty, it includes that line twice.

That's... odd, but I think I can guess why that's happening. Shouldn't be hard to fix.

Thels wrote:For DPS and TMI, does it assume you cast HP on yourself or your opponent? For ES I assume you cast it on your opponent. Perhaps it would be interesting to include two variants of HP and ES. One self-targeted and one boss-targeted, but I don't know how tricky it is to pull that off.

Cast on an enemy. At this point there's no way to do that in the sim itself without some restructuring, unless we define some conditional that can be implemented on the APL to do it for us (i.e. cast it on self if incoming_damage_5s>0.3*max_health or some such). If you want to compare "always cast on enemy" to "always cast on self," we'd need to change APLs while we're changing talents. Could do that by having 5 talent options that tier to include "ESS" and "HPS" variants of the talents (and automatically switch APL when those are chosen). Or just hard-code the one or two special cases we need (i.e. X-Y-Z-ESS, and then compare to the X-Y-Z-ES line to see what changes).
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