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A Call to Arms - MoP Mechanics Testing

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Re: A Call to Arms - MoP Mechanics Testing

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:38 pm

Did I do something wrong? Damage from SoR is risible. Has it always been this bad?
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Re: A Call to Arms - MoP Mechanics Testing

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:31 pm

Finished -- I think, unless there's something extra that I forgot.
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Re: A Call to Arms - MoP Mechanics Testing

Postby Tengrilethos » Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:07 pm

Hello,

I can offer an Lvl 90 human Paladin on Mekkatorque for tests.

Please tell me how I can help :)

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Re: A Call to Arms - MoP Mechanics Testing

Postby theckhd » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:40 pm

So, I'm back from vacation, but I probably will not get a chance to comb through logs and do more fitting until tomorrow. However, I plan on catching up on all of the testing tomorrow, and hopefully I'll have some preliminary DPS numbers for the thread that GC posted in (my earlier estimates were about 40k DPS in 450-ilvl gear, iirc, but that's not accounting for the censure/CS nerfs).
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Re: A Call to Arms - MoP Mechanics Testing

Postby theckhd » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:42 pm

Tengrilethos wrote:Hello,

I can offer an Lvl 90 human Paladin on Mekkatorque for tests.

Please tell me how I can help :)

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Check the first page of this thread. I'll clean it up tomorrow, but tests #3-6, 21, and 27 are still needed. I think the rest are already covered.
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Re: A Call to Arms - MoP Mechanics Testing

Postby Klaudandus » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:44 pm

theckhd wrote:So, I'm back from vacation, but I probably will not get a chance to comb through logs and do more fitting until tomorrow. However, I plan on catching up on all of the testing tomorrow, and hopefully I'll have some preliminary DPS numbers for the thread that GC posted in (my earlier estimates were about 40k DPS in 450-ilvl gear, iirc, but that's not accounting for the censure/CS nerfs).


Well, Censure lost 1.7k dps per tick, and CS is down 0.9k dps not considering the weapon damage modifier.

Also, I need to shut up and stop prodding GC... I think i've done more harm than good on those threads...
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Re: A Call to Arms - MoP Mechanics Testing

Postby theckhd » Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:31 pm

I'll dive in tomorrow to see if I can help.

Here's the latest (simple) single-target rotation comparison calculations. I say "simple" because this is obviously not an exhaustive list, doesn't include L90 talents, etc. All of that is working, but my first goal is to get the underlying mechanical stuff fixed and get all the calculation files updated (for example, the ability damage calculation might be useful for that thread, to compare average hit size from different abilities).

The gear set for these simulations is a 450-ilvl set of blues.

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2.00% hit, 5.00% exp

|    |                               |    DPS |   SHPS |   SS/EF | Empty |    HPG |
| Q# | Priority                      | V=100% | V=100% | Uptime% |  GCD% |     /s |
|  1 | SotR5>CS>J>AS>Cons>HW         |  37704 |      0 |     0.0 |   7.4 | 0.3797 |
|  2 | SotR5>CS>AS>J>Cons>HW         |  37496 |      0 |     0.0 |   7.4 | 0.3701 |
|  3 | SotR5>HotR>J>AS>Cons>HW       |  38252 |      0 |     0.0 |   7.4 | 0.3797 |
|  4 | SotR5>J>CS>AS>Cons>HW         |  36513 |      0 |     0.0 |  15.1 | 0.3384 |
|  5 | SotR5>CS>AS+>J>AS>Cons>HW     |  37611 |      0 |     0.0 |   7.4 | 0.3754 |
|  6 | ^WB>^SS>SotR5>CS>J>AS>Cons>HW |  36994 |   4875 |     1.0 |   5.9 | 0.3735 |
|  7 | WoG5>CS>J>AS>HW               |  30205 |   6628 |     0.0 |  20.4 | 0.3770 |
|  8 | WoG5>CS>J>AS>Cons>HW          |  33554 |   6676 |     0.0 |   7.4 | 0.3797 |
|  9 | WoG5>CS>AS+>J>AS>Cons>HW      |  33508 |   6600 |     0.0 |   7.4 | 0.3754 |

2.00% hit, 5.00% exp

|    |                               |    DPS |   SHPS |   SS/EF | Empty |    HPG |
| Q# | Priority                      | V=100% | V=100% | Uptime% |  GCD% |     /s |
|  1 | SotR5>CS>J>AS>Cons>HW         |  35853 |   6560 |     0.0 |   7.4 | 0.3797 |
|  2 | SotR5>CS>AS>J>Cons>HW         |  35652 |   6534 |     0.0 |   7.4 | 0.3701 |
|  3 | SotR5>HotR>J>AS>Cons>HW       |  36402 |   6560 |     0.0 |   7.4 | 0.3797 |
|  4 | SotR5>J>CS>AS>Cons>HW         |  34826 |   5977 |     0.0 |  15.1 | 0.3384 |
|  5 | SotR5>CS>AS+>J>AS>Cons>HW     |  35764 |   6548 |     0.0 |   7.4 | 0.3754 |
|  6 | ^WB>^SS>SotR5>CS>J>AS>Cons>HW |  35152 |  11404 |     1.0 |   5.9 | 0.3735 |
|  7 | WoG5>CS>J>AS>HW               |  28646 |  12482 |     0.0 |  20.4 | 0.3770 |
|  8 | WoG5>CS>J>AS>Cons>HW          |  31992 |  12545 |     0.0 |   7.4 | 0.3797 |
|  9 | WoG5>CS>AS+>J>AS>Cons>HW      |  31946 |  12466 |     0.0 |   7.4 | 0.3754 |

7.50% hit, 7.50% exp

|    |                               |    DPS |   SHPS |   SS/EF | Empty |    HPG |
| Q# | Priority                      | V=100% | V=100% | Uptime% |  GCD% |     /s |
|  1 | SotR5>CS>J>AS>Cons>HW         |  41014 |      0 |     0.0 |   7.3 | 0.4146 |
|  2 | SotR5>CS>AS>J>Cons>HW         |  40774 |      0 |     0.0 |   7.3 | 0.4040 |
|  3 | SotR5>HotR>J>AS>Cons>HW       |  41614 |      0 |     0.0 |   7.3 | 0.4146 |
|  4 | SotR5>J>CS>AS>Cons>HW         |  39658 |      0 |     0.0 |  14.9 | 0.3692 |
|  5 | SotR5>CS>AS+>J>AS>Cons>HW     |  40898 |      0 |     0.0 |   7.3 | 0.4094 |
|  6 | ^WB>^SS>SotR5>CS>J>AS>Cons>HW |  40221 |   4889 |     1.0 |   5.8 | 0.4077 |
|  7 | WoG5>CS>J>AS>HW               |  32449 |   7237 |     0.0 |  20.2 | 0.4116 |
|  8 | WoG5>CS>J>AS>Cons>HW          |  36054 |   7288 |     0.0 |   7.3 | 0.4146 |
|  9 | WoG5>CS>AS+>J>AS>Cons>HW      |  35999 |   7198 |     0.0 |   7.3 | 0.4094 |
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Re: A Call to Arms - MoP Mechanics Testing

Postby Schroom » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:28 pm

mh... comparing the first 3

3>2>1

3 and 1 are almost identical, except that you replace HotR with CS.

does this mean that HotR does more damage than CS even on single target? WoW. I don't think this is intended tho... I guess GC will fix that, probably, knowing GC, by nerfing HotR instead of buffing CS back up ^^
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Re: A Call to Arms - MoP Mechanics Testing

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:57 am

I see you're working on Eternal Flame, do you need me to get EF data for the other gearsets? (#2 and #4), specially considering that EF seems to be all over the place.

Also, apparently there is a bug with EF where it doesnt consume BoG stacks
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Re: A Call to Arms - MoP Mechanics Testing

Postby Worldie » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:15 am

It has been written in blue post that EF right now is not affected by BoG but it will be in the next beta build.
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Re: A Call to Arms - MoP Mechanics Testing

Postby Treck » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:41 am

Its not affected by BoG but it still ticks for 50k with full vengeance?
Sacred shield "caps" at about 42k for me, but on the plus side you have huge WoGs aswell, however very holypower heavy.
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Re: A Call to Arms - MoP Mechanics Testing

Postby theckhd » Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:34 am

Klaudandus wrote:I see you're working on Eternal Flame, do you need me to get EF data for the other gearsets? (#2 and #4), specially considering that EF seems to be all over the place.

Also, apparently there is a bug with EF where it doesnt consume BoG stacks

No, it's fine. The data fits the tooltip more or less perfectly already. I did have to correct some of your Censure data and extract the Holy Prism AoE heal information. Interesting conclusions from that, by the way. More soon-ish (probably after lunch).

Worldie wrote:It has been written in blue post that EF right now is not affected by BoG but it will be in the next beta build.

It's the other way around - it's affected by BoG but isn't consuming the stacks when it's cast. I have evidence of this in Klaud's data set. If I had mastery values for the 9 gear sets, I'd be able to confirm that it's getting the full linear scaling (it's definitely getting more than 10% per stack, at least).
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Re: A Call to Arms - MoP Mechanics Testing

Postby theckhd » Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:37 am

By the way, did we ever confirm WoG's formula? I can't even remember. If you have time, another test I could use is chain WoGs (1HP is fine) and self-cast Holy Prisms (i.e, cast HP on yourself rather than the dummy). They could be done together. Preferably without SoI active.
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Re: A Call to Arms - MoP Mechanics Testing

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:47 am

i dont think so, i'll work on that later, i got a good two hrs to mess with things before raid

Also, I really can't tell where I messed up with censure on the spreadsheet, WoL lists censure at 6424.9, but you have it at 6510.
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Re: A Call to Arms - MoP Mechanics Testing

Postby theckhd » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:46 am

The numbers were way off before I fixed them - take a look at the 6:29 AM revision, which is before I fixed things. The damage values actually went down with increasing AP in a few cases.

Also note that for Censure, WoL is averaging in the ticks that occur before you complete the 5-stack, which brings the average down. For Censure, you have to go to the log browser and pick out the steady-state 5-stack value (which is easy, since the damage only varies by one at most).
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