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A Call to Arms - Cataclysm Mechanics testing

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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby tlitp » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:15 pm

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[15:13:20.015] Arianne hits Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 123)
[15:13:20.031] Arianne casts Hammer of the Righteous on Theramore Combat Dummy
[15:13:20.031] Arianne Hammer of the Righteous Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 35)
[15:13:20.328] Arianne Seal of Righteousness Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 15)
[15:13:20.328] Arianne Hammer of the Righteous Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 827)
[15:13:20.328] Arianne Hammer of the Righteous Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 793)
[15:13:20.328] Arianne Hammer of the Righteous Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 810)
[15:13:20.328] Arianne Hammer of the Righteous Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 799)
[15:13:20.468] Theramore Combat Dummy afflicted by Vindication from Arianne
[15:13:21.312] Arianne crits Theramore Combat Dummy *1* (O: 238)
[15:13:21.687] Arianne Seal of Righteousness Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 15)

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[15:14:08.703] Arianne hits Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 122)
[15:14:08.703] Arianne Seal of Righteousness Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 15)
[15:14:10.000] Arianne hits Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 96)
[15:14:10.203] Arianne casts Hammer of the Righteous on Theramore Combat Dummy
[15:14:10.203] Arianne Hammer of the Righteous Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 32)
[15:14:10.406] Arianne Seal of Righteousness Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 15)
[15:14:10.828] Arianne Hammer of the Righteous Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 685)
[15:14:10.828] Arianne Hammer of the Righteous Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 819)
[15:14:10.828] Arianne Hammer of the Righteous Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 784)
[15:14:10.828] Arianne Hammer of the Righteous Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 676)
[15:14:10.828] Theramore Combat Dummy's Vindication is refreshed by Arianne
[15:14:11.406] Arianne crits Theramore Combat Dummy *1* (O: 240)
[15:14:11.812] Arianne Seal of Righteousness Theramore Combat Dummy 1 (O: 15)

Paladins seem to be affected by "munching" (reference - broken link, the paragraph of interest is DW, not WW) as well. One can clearly spot missing SoR entries when AA+ability occur in rapid succession. OTOH, HotR's physical component appears to be not normalized.
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Rasmfrackn » Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:40 pm

theckhd wrote:Test #3: HotR weapon normalization

Step 1: Purchase a Dalaran Sword (Valaden Silverblade in Dalaran) and a Falchion (Lissaf in Shattrath, Lower City).

Step 2: Spec 0/38/0, get naked except for the weapon (no shield for simplicity). Use Seal of Righteousness. Log about 100-200 HotR attacks with each weapon. Please try and keep the logs separate (i.e. stop logging and upload after each weapon). Post a link to each log along with the weapon used and paper doll AP, SP.

Making me run all the way to Dalaran and Shattrath now that there are no portals... tsk tsk. :)

I got another race change, so here are Dreinei stats.

HotR with Dalaran Sword
HotR with Falchion

I'm noticing somewhat frequent HotR presses where nothing happens. Nothing shows up in the combat log except gaining 1 HP. There's no miss, no dodge, nothing... just no Hammer lines. I thought I could line it up with when the melee swing animation starts, but it doesn't correlate very well. I've seen Vindication miss separate from HotR, I've seen the holy nova miss separate from the physical damage, but I haven't seen physical damage but get the holy damage... the sample size may just be too small for that though.

-- Also, sorry but the first log is pretty spammy with me just mindlessly mashing HotR and judgement while I watched TV. there's a lot of "not yet recovered" in there... heh. I also used seal of insight to get mana instead of SoR but hopefully that isn't an issue since we're just looking at HotR damage, right?

-- I ended up going to Darnassus. If I get right in close on the Raider's dummy, the holy nova splash doesn't quite reach the dummies on either side, so there's no errant damage going on. I didn't have my positioning down at the start of the first log, either, so there are extra entries in that log as a result.
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby theckhd » Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:52 pm

Actually, don't worry too much about hitting multiple dummies. I realized that I can extract what I want by looking at the Damage Taken by the dummy I'm interested in, provided there aren't other players attacking it.

I'll take a look at that data some time this weekend, but I suspect that tlitp has already made the determination I'm interested in.
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Arianne » Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:57 pm

  • race : dwarf
  • level : 80
  • spec : holy/prot, with 3/3 JotP http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#s0hZGMhfRddRMu
  • gear : 0 hit/exp, high Strength/haste (crit/mastery are irrelevant) 1694 str, 15.37% haste (504 rating)
  • weapon : Tomahawk (low-lvl vendors)
  • seal : Insight
  • buffs : none (including self-buffs)
  • target : level 80 dummy, attacking from the front

How-to :
  • keep haste and total AP constant (no relevant procs/enchants)
  • keep Insight active
  • try to use a less popular dummy ("overkill" values should be avoided, as much as possible; the same for target debuffs)
  • autoattack the dummy for at least an hour (bare minimum); more is better

  • level = 80
  • weapon damage (character panel) = 485-491 DPS 331.2 Attack Power 3773
  • haste rating 504 = 15.37% = 1.47 speed
  • total phys_crit = 663 rating = 19.69%

Here's a log where I only auto attacked: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/7w0njhz4k2t5hx76/
Raw log at: http://www.guildsites.org/cata_tests/fi ... batLog.txt

Here's a log where I judged every 20-40 s to keep the JotP buff up: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/7ckoxmf9zzet79w8/
Raw log at: http://www.guildsites.org/cata_tests/fi ... batLog.txt
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Neziah » Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:24 pm

Human Premade L85

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AoEing with mainly HoR till out of mana. Hitting mulitple targets
Log - http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-3 ... details/8/

#2
AoE - Multiple Targets - same as picture above. There are 6 dummies, but I only seem to be able to get HoR to hit 4 of them. Maybe it is just a graphics glitch. Holy Wrath seems to hit all of them visually. This log would be most like a Pull on a pack. Using all AS procs, etc till out of mana.
Log - http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-5 ... details/0/

Edit - Just noticed your test request. I will have to see if I can get to Dalaran to pick up a weapon.
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby tlitp » Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:04 am

Rasmfrackn : confirms the lack of normalization for HotR.
Arianne :
  • glancing blows are likely to be WotlK-identical (against same lvl target : 6% chance, 1-10% damage reduction range, 5% average reduction) /TODO : vs level+3
  • blocks are player-identical (flat 30% decrease)
  • SoI is not likely to be haste-normalized (the 1.7 base leads to ~43% flat chance or ~15 PPM; at this point the correct mechanism is still unknown) /TODO : pick a different base

TODO :
  1. SD/GC (0 hit/exp; attack from the front a boss-level dummy with CS/J; check GC procs on CS non-connects; check SD procs on J non-connects). Stop casting CS at first proc on non-connect, or after 40 non-connects.
  2. SoI final test
    • beta or ptr, any level, any race, any spec, 0 haste on gear, no buffs
    • pick a slow 1H (2.6+)
    • keep SoI active while autoattacking a low-lvl dummy; stop after at least 1000 swings
    • upload on WoL
  3. level 80 base damage
  4. scaling vs level+1/level+2. Scrap the spec/gear requirements,scrap the seal, all that is needed is a level 83/84 paladin that autoattacks a level 85 dummy. (again, for at least an hour)
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Arianne » Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:44 am

theckhd wrote:Level 80 version on PTR:
<edit> Hold on, these aren't right, wrong base damages.
<edit2> Fixed.

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ShoR     626
CS       127
JoT      277
AS      3052
HW      2209
HoW     1290
Exor    1155
SoT       20
SoR       15
SoJ        7
Cens     426
Cons     215
HotR      34
HaNova   653
Melee     66


Same talent spec (but skip EG and GbtL), no glyphs, no buffs, naked with a Dalaran Sword. If you need a shield to use ShoR (tooltip doesn't say so, but it may still need one), grab any white vendor shield (i.e. no stats but armor).


Here's a level 80 PTR parse with SoT and a 0/36/0 spec naked except for a dalaran sword. I skipped Imp HoJ instead of EG/GbtL. Str 156, Agi 86, Sta 165, Int 97, Spirit 104. Melee 95-132. DPS 80.9 Speed 1.40. 0 haste, 0 hit, 2.31% crit chance, 0 expertise. 180 spellpower. Using a Kite Shield (white, 702 armor, no stats) in off hand.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/jwhg ... details/0/

I ran out of mana a lot, so I'll do another parse with CS, HW and consecration. It really sucks to miss a judgement. If you have Sacred Duty and miss with a ShoR then the Sacred Duty buff is consumed even if ShoR didn't connect. ShoR was not consuming Holy Power on misses/dodge/parries.

Edit: Parse with CS, HW, Cons with SoR - http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/yxn4a1m02dfooe7n/
Edit: Parse with SoJ and small amounts of others - http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/8ex1syhphp4ey8re/
Edit: Parse on Thrym for HoW testing - http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/nqi1a8l4b33kiqya/
Used SoI, WoG and full gear (mithrios) to stay alive. Forgot to cancel vengeance before HoW casts, so I'll redo this later with a macro. 1712 Str. 158 Agi. 4336 Sta. 97 Int. 104 Spi. 684-915 melee. 499.6 DPS. 3644 attack power. 1.6 speed. 3.58% hit. 3.69% crit. 13 Expertise. 16.58 mastery. 1114 spell power. 28899 armor. 23.65% dodge. 21.90% parry. 38.16% block.
Edit: Parse with Thrym for HoW testing - http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/xztui0zyxn59t71p/
Same stats as above with a /cancelaura Vengeance included. Glyphs: SoT, HotR, ShoR. HoWrath, DP,
CS. LoH, SoT.

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Ability  Model  Ari
ShoR     626    644
JoT      277    276
AS      3052    3093
Exor    1155    1142
SoT       20    20
Cens     426    87.6
HotR      34    20
HaNova   653    720
Melee     66    67


SoI - 1497 melee hits with SoI up - http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/ws98 ... details/0/
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby tlitp » Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:07 am

#1 is still on the list. The tests carried out by Kierly/Arianne simply do not contain enough CS "misses" (miss/dodge/parry). After 40 non-connects, the probability of not getting at least one GC proc (i.e. if the proc is depend indeed on trigger cast, not trigger hit) is ~0.01%.Therefore 40-50 CS "misses" should be enough. Just weave in J casts along the furious CS spamming, and that's about it. (keep in mind : 0 hit/exp, attacking a boss-level dummy from the front)

On the other hand, Seal of Insight has been demystified. It's 15 PPM, not haste-normalized.
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Arianne » Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:40 pm

Here's a CS log I think. Let me know if I need to do something different. I also did 2point ShoRs throughout this in case that's interesting to anyone. Naked. Dalaran Sword. 0/36/0 (no Imp HoJ). No Glyphs.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/tlf6 ... details/0/
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Kierly » Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:09 pm

Here is another cs log. Only had the Dalaran axe on to keep exp at 0.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-fg7nkmcftsfpmi3f/
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby tlitp » Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:16 pm

Both GC/SD are confirmed to depend on trigger connect.
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Arianne » Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:43 pm

Threat feels much better on the latest PTR. How would I test what threat abilities are causing?
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Sabindeus » Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:06 pm

Arianne wrote:Threat feels much better on the latest PTR. How would I test what threat abilities are causing?

Omen?
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Arianne » Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:01 pm

Alright, I figured there was a more elegant way. Someone had a macro somewhere I thought. It appears that we have the same 125% threat modifier now. An exorcism for roughly 2450 was causing roughly 5500 threat. WoG was causing 1 to 1 threat value (split across X mob where X was 1 in my case). HotR was causing threat as if you just added the two component parts together (ie: 200 physical + 1100 holy caused roughly 3k threat).
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Re: A call to arms - Beta/PTR parses on WoL

Postby Rasmfrackn » Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:27 pm

I know this isn't exactly the right place but it's a mechanics issue and I wanted to whine a bit. :) When did dwarven mace spec get downgraded to 3 expertise instead of 5? I want a second weapon option now...
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