Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby tlitp » Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:14 pm

theothersteve7 wrote:Am I reading this right? I see 1000 AP with 40% uptime. Compared to 600 dodge with 13% uptime for Windwalk.

Whoa, wait a moment. :lol:
LS and WW have the same proc chance (1 PPM, not haste-normalized) and the same triggers; what's different is the proc duration. Their (theoretical) average uptime is therefore "about the same" (LS should be ~115% WW). Encounters that will butcher one of them (time-off-target : moving/stuns/attack "speed" debuffs a.s.o.) will also butcher the other one.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby Sur-Pseudo » Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:21 pm

Hey everyone,

I wanted to determine the ICD on the Porcelain Crab (Heroic), however this will be a very long process without a tool to parse a log >.>

Does someone have a tool that can scan and determine the earliest time between procs ? So far my 8 stopwatch tests have yielded results of 103-164 seconds between procs (obviously without benefit of reckoning or raid buffs as it's a target dummy)

I was debating leaving my toon attacking for a while, but it's pointless if I cant figure out the answer afterward... And I think the Wowhead comment that reported 80 seconds ICD might be wrong.

Anyway, Might help in determining it's value compared to other trinkets
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby tlitp » Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:43 pm

It's probably 100s (for the vast majority of the Cataclysm-specific, ICD-based dynamic effects, the ICD is five times the proc duration). Check SimC later on, when they'll update it.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby theothersteve7 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 1:13 pm

tlitp wrote:LS and WW have the same proc chance (1 PPM, not haste-normalized) and the same triggers; what's different is the proc duration. Their (theoretical) average uptime is therefore "about the same" (LS should be ~115% WW). Encounters that will butcher one of them (time-off-target : moving/stuns/attack "speed" debuffs a.s.o.) will also butcher the other one.



Oh, I guess this comes from a misunderstanding on my end with procs. You say "not haste-normalized"; I assumed 1 PPM was 1 PPM was 1 PPM. So if haste effects increase proc rates that means a few things.

1. The data in a dps gear and spec would not be an accurate portrayal of uptime of the same enchant on a tank weapon.
2. Given raid buffs (windfury, etc) I can expect WW to be worth more than 100 dodge rating on average.

I've never really looked into proc mechanics before. Thanks.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby tlitp » Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:47 pm

About 0.8-1% dodge, post-DR(). Accurate for a (tank-oriented) raid gear set, ~359 average ilvl.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby theothersteve7 » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:34 am

Oh, sweet, I missed that post, just what I was looking for. According to that, Windwalk is worth around 190-240 dodge rating, and Landslide is worth 380-450 AP, scaling toward to upper ends of those ranges with more expertise and hit. Normal values (and expertise glyph) put them right around 200 dodge and 400 AP respectively. Landslide isn't really even worth mentioning at those values. Good information for Ret, though.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby Durability » Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:48 am

# Crusader Strike weapon damage percent has been increased to 135%, up from 115%.

I'm assuming this puts ISH9 to bed for good, and should make Expertise even more amazing than it already is.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby Kelaan » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:06 am

tlitp wrote:About 0.8-1% dodge, post-DR(). Accurate for a (tank-oriented) raid gear set, ~359 average ilvl.

How does that compare to using Mending? Did I miss the memo on average healing output with it?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby Durability » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:21 am

Kelaan wrote:
tlitp wrote:About 0.8-1% dodge, post-DR(). Accurate for a (tank-oriented) raid gear set, ~359 average ilvl.

How does that compare to using Mending? Did I miss the memo on average healing output with it?


It's not exactly rigorous theorycraft, but Mending usually ended up being about ~10% of my self-healing if I recall. Don't discount the movement portion of WW either.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby RedAces » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:45 am

hey,

Durability wrote:Don't discount the movement portion of WW either.


does it stack with PoJ ? Thought not...

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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby theckhd » Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:46 am

RedAces wrote:does it stack with PoJ ?

Initial reports are that it does.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby Durability » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:33 pm

theckhd wrote:
RedAces wrote:does it stack with PoJ ?

Initial reports are that it does.


I can confirm via GetUnitSpeed that it does stack multiplicatively with POJ. WW+POJ = 132% increased movement speed.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby theckhd » Sun Jan 09, 2011 1:55 pm

Enchant comparison has been updated.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby Kishi » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:03 am

theckhd wrote:Enchant comparison has been updated.


As always thanks you, Theck. One thing though could you add Pyrium Weapon Chain to the comparison ?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB thread - Cataclysm/4.x

Postby theckhd » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:11 am

I'll add it for future versions. For now, you can estimate the value by multiplying the Titanium Weapon Chain by 1.43. So the new weapon chain is around 48-49 DPS, barely ahead of Accuracy.
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