Armsnam vs 20 Agility to hands!

[defeated]

I was looking through the enchants the other day, and i was curious if its even worth getting something like 20 agility over armsman now?

Currently my threat is really good somehow, last night when we did Northrend Beasts in heroic toc 25, i accidentally out threated the other tanks when i had 2 stacks of the debuff on me and ended up getting too many and had to BoP myself, i didn't have Avenging Wrath activated either so i was wondering how i out threated our warrior MT and another paladin tank. I recently have not had threat issues with anything besides like the initial pull of a boss if one or 2 of my abilities happen to miss, which i can usually fix before a non tank gets insta gibbed.

Anyway if anyone knows the value of the 20 agi with numbers it would be great to look at if possible, and thanks in advance. =)

Also my apologies if this has already been discussed somewhere, i did check theck's thread along many others seeking it, but did not see it anywhere.

[Meloree]

18 stam.

EDIT: the math: http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/ ... c&start=30

[Snake-Aes]

885 armor.

[Trase]

885 armor.

Accursed engineers and your fancy gadgets!

[Snake-Aes]

You forgot the saronite bombs. Best way to work around the AS cd in a big pull. Or the Cobalt ones to keep them quiet on your way.

[bentglasstube]

Assuming you don't care about the threat portion of armsman, you're looking at 10 parry rating versus 20 agility. Theck's calculations ( http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/ ... t-of-dodge ) came up with agility being 97.6% as good as dodge rating, so from a survivability standpoint, I'd say 20 agility is the clear winner. However, as Meloree mentioned above, the 18 stamina armor kit is good and also very inexpensive.

[defeated]

The armor seems very inferior to me though, because of the DR on armor. =(

[Stripperella]

Armor has DR in regards to the total amount of healing to keep the tank alive. however because of how it is designed, each point of armor is just as effective as the previous point of armor when determining base time to live in regards to physical damage. And because of the sheer overhealing and the nature of burst, the total amount of healing to keep you alive isn't really a factor imo. Wowwiki explains it better than i ever could.

Opinions are assholes though, gotta go with what you think. But if threat is a non issue, even without the armor portion, 20 agi is hands down better than 10 parry. The same post that mentions agi with armor included is 97.6% as effective as dodge also explains that regardless of the armor, agi is 84% as effective as dodge. So even after you are balancing parry and dodge and they are mostly identical, .84*20 = 16.8 > 10.