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Scaling of spells and the loss of threat 3.2.2

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Scaling of spells and the loss of threat 3.2.2

Postby pharlon » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:07 pm

Correct me if im wrong, plx, these are my theories, anyone have actual data or numbers?

Thnx guys

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Righteous Fury: The bonus threat from Holy spells caused by this talent has been reduced from 90% to 80%.
This is the initial nerf for paladinthreat made during the PTR,

-10% threat on all holy damage.

Touched by the Light: This talent now provides 20/40/60% of the paladin’s strength as spell power instead of 10/20/30% of the paladin’s stamina.
Spellpower nerfed for prot healers, note the spellpower gained thru str is doubled. I have 1325 str and 2905 sta atm.

Blessing of Sanctuary: This blessing now grants 10% strength in addition to its current effects. Also, the strength and stamina bonuses from this blessing will no longer be lost when Blessing of Kings is removed.
1325 str +10% of this buff= 1457

My current stamina gave 871 spellpower before 3.2.2


Sta gave
30% of 2905 sta = 871


Strength gives
60% of 1457 str = 874

So spellpower is the same, but threat from holy is still nerfed by 10%
Still our strength is increased by 10%


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Things which scale with STR only
do more damage and perhaps equal or more threat:


Hammer of the righteouss:------
This scales with MHW damage (MHW scales with AP) (AP scales with str), this is increased.

Shield of righteousness: ------
This scales with Block Value (BV scales with str).

Hand of reckoning:-----
scales with AP (AP scales with str)

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Things which scale with SPH (spell power holy) and STR

Same damage but probably lower threat



Avengers shield, and consecration:-----
These scale with both sph and ap equal in number.
do lower threat but do slight more damage. NERF

Seal of Vengeance:-----
Scales more with AP then with SPH
So probably does more damage and lower threat.

Seal of righteousness:-----
Scales with MHS (main hand speed)
and more with SPH and less with ap.
Dont know...probably lower


Unknown:

Holy shield????----
scales with???
Probably lower or equal
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Re: Scaling of spells and the loss of threat 3.2.2

Postby Fridmarr » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:11 pm

Sanctuary and kings don't stack. They added the Str and Stam components to sanctuary so that a prot pally would use it over kings, if he didn't have the option for both.
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Re: Scaling of spells and the loss of threat 3.2.2

Postby pharlon » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:17 pm

Fridmarr wrote:Sanctuary and kings don't stack. They added the Str and Stam components to sanctuary so that a prot pally would use it over kings, if he didn't have the option for both.


Just about the strength. That isnt cumulative either?
Havent tested that tbh.
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Re: Scaling of spells and the loss of threat 3.2.2

Postby Halnoth » Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:04 am

pharlon wrote:
Fridmarr wrote:Sanctuary and kings don't stack. They added the Str and Stam components to sanctuary so that a prot pally would use it over kings, if he didn't have the option for both.


Just about the strength. That isnt cumulative either?
Havent tested that tbh.


It said right there in the notes that it doesn't stack with kings. Most of this stuff has been theory crafted extensively by theck and is stickied.
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Re: Scaling of spells and the loss of threat 3.2.2

Postby hoho » Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:21 am

Can anyone remember how much AP/SP we have raid-buffed? I'm not 100% sure but I believe with shaman totem and horn I had around 1.2k sp and ~5.5k AP. Getting back that ~150 or so sp we lost won't really increase TPS much considering how many of our skills don't gain any benefit from sp.
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Re: Scaling of spells and the loss of threat 3.2.2

Postby Ragingsoul » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:40 am

everybody will have different stats, I don't undestand your question. I already had 1022 SP unbuffed before, lost more than 200 SP with the change, but regaining them if I use the strength libram.

and saying it doesn't matter when AS, judgments and seals, and hammer of wrath works with it, it's a loss no matter how you look at it.
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Re: Scaling of spells and the loss of threat 3.2.2

Postby hoho » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:54 am

Ragingsoul wrote:and saying it doesn't matter when AS, judgments and seals, and hammer of wrath works with it, it's a loss no matter how you look at it.
It's a loss when you had >2x less str than stam. My point was the loss should be barely noticeable and is much smaller than the nerf to RF.
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