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Halp. Base dodge and Diminishing returns.

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Halp. Base dodge and Diminishing returns.

Postby æ » Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:24 pm

Hey have a slight issue here.
My char sheet dodge says 19.97% dodge.
I have:
702 def rating
44 Agility (92 base)
163 Dodge Rating.

I put it through this formula where D6=def rating. D4=Dodge Rating. B10=Agility
(1/((0.956/((D6/4.9185*0.04)+(D4/39.34799)+(B10*0.0192)))+0.01135))

This comes out to 9.93%. Add into that 5% base and 5% talent and I get 1993%.

19.93 is not 19.97.

So my question is, is my formula wrong somewhere or is base dodge for a BE Paladin not 5.0%? Bizzar rounding?
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Re: Halp. Base dodge and Diminishing returns.

Postby majiben » Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:25 pm

Base agility doesn't follow normal conversion
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Re: Halp. Base dodge and Diminishing returns.

Postby æ » Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:30 pm

Yeah im not adding base, just the 44 from gear.

The only thing I can see is maybe its base dodge is more than 5%. ie. 5.25%. Im not sure whats wrong. I suppose I could take a look at someones spreadsheet, but thats cheating :D
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Re: Halp. Base dodge and Diminishing returns.

Postby DisRuptive1 » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:27 pm

Get nekid!

Base dodge is more than 5.0% I believe.
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Re: Halp. Base dodge and Diminishing returns.

Postby jere » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:40 am

Well some things:

Base dodge for a paladin (any race) is 3.2685%
Your naked dodge as a blood elf (also not affected by DR) is 3.2685+92/52.08333333 = 5.0349%
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Re: Halp. Base dodge and Diminishing returns.

Postby æ » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:15 pm

Too right, chaps! I do say, how does this look?

Also, I looked on my char sheet again today (havent logged on since the first post) and my def went from 702-706. I assume something was buffed. My dodge has not changed, however. So Im just confused with that. Reguardless here is what I got.

AgiBase=92
TotalAgi=136
Def=706
DodgeRate=163

(92/52.0833333+3.2685+5)*0.01+(1/((0.956/((706/4.9185*0.04)+(163/39.34799)+((136-92)*0.0192)))+.011347))*0.01

This comes out to 19.989%, my char sheet says 19.97%. But as I said there is something odd going on with def and I canot log in for a while so I dont know yet. :P
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Re: Halp. Base dodge and Diminishing returns.

Postby jere » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:48 pm

Your equation doesn't take into account how defense is converted from rating to skill. You don't get decimal values of defense...only whole numbers.

702 defense rating gives the appropriate value. Your defense going up after the patch sounds like a bug. You should wait and see what the actual value is. 702 def rating gives 19.97% dodge in your example. I think 706 would be closer to 20.00-20.02% off the top of my head, but I would need to run the equation again.
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Re: Halp. Base dodge and Diminishing returns.

Postby æ » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:30 pm

Ahh Thank you. That would explain it. I even knew that beforehand but didn't even cros smy mind about decimals in def resulting in a higher output. (19.99% here). Its 143.54 def in the formula, but blizzard rounds down, thus i will try 143. (not sure how to do that in excel but ill look around, something about a floor/ceiling?)


Yup that was the issue, thanks for the tip. Even with 706 def it works out when i round it down to the closest skill (143) comes out to 19.972%

I think on my char sheet it updated def after updating my dodge rating. Again probably some piece of gear was updated. I haven't been on since before patch. I know my Sabatons got a stam buff so possibly something else got a def buff.
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Edit: Here we go. This should work in excel.
c9=base agi
c4=talent dodge %
c10=base dodge%
c8=def rate
e4=dodge rate
g12= total agi

=(C9/52.0833333+C4+C10)*0.01+(1/((0.956/((FLOOR(C8/4.9185, 1)*0.04)+(E4/39.34799)+((G12-C9)*0.0192)))+D4))*0.01
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