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Re: Theck's MATLAB TPS analysis (A Jonesy derivative work)

Postby Conaan! » Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:49 pm

gregorian wrote:Theck im getting mixed signals here because for one, this thread is talking about maintanking but your armory is tuned towards trashtanking, so tuned in fact that i salute it for being 100% optimised for adds duty on nightfall/twi-vanq fights which are the only reason i would bet on.

unless of course you have an MT set which armory isnt showing...

if you dont then i can only assume sotp does more for your role since its value scales with the number of targets on you, up to a maximum of how many you can keep sov on.

the vibe im getting from your sotp v. conviction thoughts is that the difference itself is marginal, in which case i for one would simply accept the short loss in an MT scenario in order to gain a large advantage in a trash scenario.

would you?


his calculations are just simpler with single targets, with multi-targets you have the variable of how many mobs, and where, if they go out of range for hotr and so on, much simpler with single target

doesnt correlate with his gearing really
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Re: Theck's MATLAB TPS analysis (A Jonesy derivative work)

Postby Mavrix » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:29 am

Cidx wrote:
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Cidx wrote:I think instead of using SoV glyph I'd use SoB glyph for more Mana Regen this could also mean those wanting to go 4/5 Benediction due to the SA change could go back to 3/3 HotC with 1 still in Benediction.



The SoB glyph has been changed and no longer has mana regen effects.


Last I read it gives 11% of damage done to you from SoB in mana and this was the last build before todays. Haven't seen any changes to it from today's build.


You're 100% correct and the error was mine. The new version SoB glyph was not what I had heard rumor that it would end up being.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB TPS analysis (A Jonesy derivative work)

Postby theckhd » Sat Mar 28, 2009 9:08 am

gregorian wrote:Theck im getting mixed signals here because for one, this thread is talking about maintanking but your armory is tuned towards trashtanking, so tuned in fact that i salute it for being 100% optimised for adds duty on nightfall/twi-vanq fights which are the only reason i would bet on.

unless of course you have an MT set which armory isnt showing...

if you dont then i can only assume sotp does more for your role since its value scales with the number of targets on you, up to a maximum of how many you can keep sov on.

the vibe im getting from your sotp v. conviction thoughts is that the difference itself is marginal, in which case i for one would simply accept the short loss in an MT scenario in order to gain a large advantage in a trash scenario.

would you?

I'm not one of those people that thinks about putting on a particular gear set before logging out, I just log out when I need to, regardless of what I have on. If you ever see me log out in a White Wedding Dress, don't consider that a statement about how I gear for tanking. ;)

I have both main tanking and trash tanking sets of gear. I just happen to log out in my trash tanking gear more often since it's the more generally-useful set (I wear it for Wintergrasp, Heroics, etc). My main tanking gear looks pretty much like Ratanna's BiS guide, minus the JC stuff (and the Unholy Knight bracers, which we've seen one of in how many weeks of naxx...grrr.....).

Also, the focus of this thread is on main-tanking because that is what most of the readers and posters on this forum are interested in. And as Conaan! said, the math becomes unnecessarily complicated when you have to consider multiple mobs. Most of us swap gear for trash and add tanking, but don't base our talent spec decisions on it.

But I would agree that at the moment, the difference between SotP and Conviction is marginal. I have no threat problems on anything at the moment, even 6-minute Malygos kills - I actually wear my trash tanking / block gear with DMC:G for those now for the extra damage, which makes threat a non-issue. So the slight hit to MT threat by choosing SotP isn't a concern, and has the added benefit of making threat management on trash and add-tanking easier. Also, I'm lazy, and haven't respecced since 3.0 was released, at which gear level SotP was ahead.

In 3.1 though, we'll have the option to spec Crusade. At that point, the difference is noticeable enough that I'd spec Crusade over SotP.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB TPS analysis (A Jonesy derivative work)

Postby Panzerdin » Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:37 pm

Theck, you're wonderful, I've just abused your work to come up with a cookie cutter for 3.1. Thanks.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB TPS analysis (A Jonesy derivative work)

Postby knaughty » Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:35 pm

Reported!


























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Re: Theck's MATLAB TPS analysis (A Jonesy derivative work)

Postby Worldie » Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:51 pm

I hereby officially fulfil the first "Reported for Sticky".
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Re: Theck's MATLAB TPS analysis (A Jonesy derivative work)

Postby Arees » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:13 pm

Worldie wrote:I hereby officially fulfil the first "Reported for Sticky".


I've been waiting for this thread to be stickied for a while. I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB TPS analysis (A Jonesy derivative work)

Postby æ » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:18 pm

This is probably the most valuable advanced protection Paladin information thread online.

Thanks Theck for the matlabs and awesome graphs that encompass so many things and Jonesy for his excel work.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB TPS analysis (A Jonesy derivative work)

Postby Sarkan-ZdC » Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:24 am

Hey Theck,

Can you make a calculation (if possible with T8.25) which glyphe would be more tps?

- Judgement +10%
- Exorcism +20%
- Capt. Ironforge Shield Throw +100% (yes, I know, can't use that on CD because of 969 problems anyhow *g*)

I have one or two slots empty for TPS Glyphes (in MainTank or TPS/OT Talentspec), so would be nice which one will be the best bang for the buck.

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Re: Theck's MATLAB TPS analysis (A Jonesy derivative work)

Postby majiben » Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:25 am

Exorcism is a nonstarter from previous tests as it don't increase it's tps enough to make subing it better.

Haven't seen him run Capt America in a long time though.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB TPS analysis (A Jonesy derivative work)

Postby theckhd » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:18 am

Sarkan-ZdC wrote:Hey Theck,

Can you make a calculation (if possible with T8.25) which glyphe would be more tps?

- Judgement +10%
- Exorcism +20%
- Capt. Ironforge Shield Throw +100% (yes, I know, can't use that on CD because of 969 problems anyhow *g*)

I have one or two slots empty for TPS Glyphes (in MainTank or TPS/OT Talentspec), so would be nice which one will be the best bang for the buck.

Thanks!

Yeah, I should have a few interesting results ready for posting today, which I'll edit quickly so that I have the answer to your glyph question.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB TPS analysis (A Jonesy derivative work)

Postby Zironic » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:49 am

Since HS sub is currently looking so much better then everything else I think I'd like to see how the boss attack speed would affect that. I assume you're currently using 2.4 but what happens with 1.8 which seems to be the attack speed of many naxx bosses?
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Re: Theck's MATLAB TPS analysis (A Jonesy derivative work)

Postby Candiru » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:05 am

I think Judgement replaced by Exorcism will be much more viable in 3.1, since we get a new libram which has passive BV rather than Judgement-procced.

Of course then you have to hope you don't let your thunderclap fall off.
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Re: Theck's MATLAB TPS analysis (A Jonesy derivative work)

Postby Markoh » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:13 am

Edit: Guess I was wrong
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Re: Theck's MATLAB TPS analysis (A Jonesy derivative work)

Postby majiben » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:16 am

They have changed it
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