Judgement of Light Question

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Re: Judgement of Light Question

Postby MrDuck » Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:34 pm

Talynne wrote:I do not know if this has been addressed but I was noticing last night during a Loot Reaver kill there were two prot paladins (me and another) and we were both judging light. Both JoL debuffs were up on him so I was wondering if 1. JoLs are stacking or 2. Which debuff is overriding the other one?
Unless it was hotfixed, they do stack, and it was classified as a bug by bluez :,>

EDIT: i should've read the whole thread however :P
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Postby Eanin » Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:56 am

When did a blue classify it as a bug? They said that stacking JoW was unintended, but haven't said anything about Light or about bugginess. Link, please.
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Postby cactusjack » Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:51 am

In the new 3.0.3 Patch notes under bug fixes are the following:
# Paladin: Judgement of Wisdom: Fixed a bug allowing one copy on target per paladin.
# Paladin: Judgement of Light: Fixed a bug allowing one copy on target per paladin.
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Postby Eanin » Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:19 am

Thank you for the quote. Does anyone know:

a) Which sticks? Is it the first one or the one that has the most SP+AP?
b) Do we still do damage if our judgement won't stick?
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Postby Dayblade » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:57 am

Eanin wrote:Thank you for the quote. Does anyone know:

a) Which sticks? Is it the first one or the one that has the most SP+AP?
b) Do we still do damage if our judgement won't stick?


a) It would appear that the highest debuff sticks - we went and did Vashj to clear up some Ring questing for peeps last night in our guild and got this on Lurker to prevent respawn crap:

21:41'20.578 Coilfang Guardian #2 is afflicted by Judgement of Light.
21:41'21.453 Dayblade gains 282 health from Ultimesia Judgement of Light.
21:41'23.032 Ashlynee gains 282 health from Ultimesia Judgement of Light. (282 Resisted)
21:41'23.328 Spikken gains 283 health from Ultimesia Judgement of Light.
21:41'23.344 Kheldul gains 310 health from Ultimesia Judgement of Light.
21:41'24.953 Coilfang Guardian #2 is afflicted by Judgement of Light.
21:41'25.391 Berth gains 303 health from Berth Judgement of Light.
21:41'25.391 Dayblade gains 303 health from Berth Judgement of Light.
21:41'26.157 Berth gains 302 health from Berth Judgement of Light.
21:41'26.610 Berth gains 303 health from Berth Judgement of Light.
21:41'26.969 Spikken gains 303 health from Berth Judgement of Light. (303 Resisted)
21:41'27.407 Dayblade gains 303 health from Berth Judgement of Light. (303 Resisted)

This continues on with Berth's JoL staying on CfG #2.

As for part b - will continue to look at the log and see if damage is applied.

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Postby Talwen » Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:07 am

I actually did some testing yesterday with my pocket ret to get at the same question (which JoL sticks if there are two judged). The short version is that we found just what previous posters mentioned--the higher one is the one that takes effect. In fact, it explicitly mentions in the combat log that my JoL has dissipated from the target when my ret friend's Judgement hits.

The long version's a bit more interesting: JoL from ret pallies seems to scale with AP only (not also SP as advertised) at the moment. In our example, it looked like this, all numbers unbuffed:

Prot: Talwen's AP is 1300, her SP is 387.
Ret: Bernadette's AP is 2042, SP is 612.

From this we'd expect Talwen's JoL to heal for 169 and Bern's to heal for 264, since the scaling is now 10% of AP + SP. These numbers match what the tooltips on our judgements in-game say.

However, when we tried it out, we found that Bern's JoL actually heals for 204, which sure looks like it's scaling only with AP, while Talwen's healed for 169, scaling with both SP and AP.

Has anyone heard something about a bug to this effect? It seems very strange to me since with a baseline class ability like JoL I'd expect both specs to be using the same code underneath.

What I'm starting to wonder is whether the SP number used for JoL is somehow taken BEFORE sheath of light, so the SP shown in his character sheet isn't the same as what JoL is using. For reference, his FoL does seem to use the SP after sheath of light. I think the way to test this is to have a ret paladin put on some real SP gear and see whether he then gets JoL numbers equal to 10% of AP + (SP from gear) but not including (SP from sheath of light). Anyone tried this?
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