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Judgement of Light Question

Postby Talynne » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:43 am

I do not know if this has been addressed but I was noticing last night during a Loot Reaver kill there were two prot paladins (me and another) and we were both judging light. Both JoL debuffs were up on him so I was wondering if 1. JoLs are stacking or 2. Which debuff is overriding the other one?
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Postby Widdox » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:47 am

Usually its the one that works better. IE who ever has more AP + SP than the other person.
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Postby Aleph » Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:20 pm

I recall reading another thread where it was shown that the most recently applied judgment was the one that would proc regardless of which one was actually stronger. The double debuffs appear to be a bug at the moment.
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Postby JUSTISE » Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:32 pm

orly so there no point having every pally judge wisdom then lol.

my GM has been having all the pallies judge wisdom on the mana drain boss in hyjal.
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Postby Talynne » Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:32 pm

@Aleph

I think that corresponds to what I was seeing last night with Void Reaver, I think that is a major bug that needs to be fixed.
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Postby Dayblade » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:58 am

Is WWS goofed then on JoL with regards to having 2 paladins judging the target.

http://wowwebstats.com/nblrncpaqs4pu?s= ... f+light%22

Berth is our Retadin and Ultimesia is Holy. However at the top of the log you can see vs. Naj - JoL is proc'n more than once on targets - once from the Ret and once from the Holy pallies.

Or am I just reading this wrong?

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Postby Talynne » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:03 am

20:48'04.032 Berth gains 466 health from Berth Judgement of Light.
20:48'04.032 Berth gains 466 health from Ultimesia Judgement of Light.
20:48'04.032 Berth gains 466 health from Berth Judgement of Light. (64 Resisted)
20:48'04.032 Berth gains 466 health from Ultimesia Judgement of Light. (466 Resisted)

Well, the resists are saying that its nulling the effects so I am guessing it is proccing off of both on the binary system then its nulling to keep it from doing double, the two in a row could be accounted from extra attacks of some sort.
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Postby Falibard » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:31 am

Talynne wrote:20:48'04.032 Berth gains 466 health from Berth Judgement of Light.
20:48'04.032 Berth gains 466 health from Ultimesia Judgement of Light.
20:48'04.032 Berth gains 466 health from Berth Judgement of Light. (64 Resisted)
20:48'04.032 Berth gains 466 health from Ultimesia Judgement of Light. (466 Resisted)

Well, the resists are saying that its nulling the effects so I am guessing it is proccing off of both on the binary system then its nulling to keep it from doing double, the two in a row could be accounted from extra attacks of some sort.


Compensating for over heals?
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Postby Dayblade » Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:07 pm

Ok - I could possibly see that however - check this portion out:

20:48'02.375 Qabal gains 388 health from Berth Judgement of Light.
20:48'02.766 Qabal gains 388 health from Berth Judgement of Light.
20:48'02.766 Qabal gains 388 health from Ultimesia Judgement of Light.
20:48'02.766 Rare gains 388 health from Berth Judgement of Light.
20:48'02.766 Rare gains 388 health from Ultimesia Judgement of Light.

http://wowwebstats.com/nblrncpaqs4pu?s= ... 5&bl=32022

No resists in those lines. So does that mean that the proc is based on per paladin debuff rather than by the ability solo?

ie Pally 1's judgement has its own 4 second window like Pally 2's would have therefore having 2 independent lockout windows per proc?

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Postby Talynne » Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:43 pm

JoL is doing freaky things right now so it might be stacking, would account for the massive rush of heals going up on my screen on raid bosses.
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Postby tullock » Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:31 pm

Dayblade wrote:Ok - I could possibly see that however - check this portion out:

20:48'02.375 Qabal gains 388 health from Berth Judgement of Light.
20:48'02.766 Qabal gains 388 health from Berth Judgement of Light.
20:48'02.766 Qabal gains 388 health from Ultimesia Judgement of Light.
20:48'02.766 Rare gains 388 health from Berth Judgement of Light.
20:48'02.766 Rare gains 388 health from Ultimesia Judgement of Light.

http://wowwebstats.com/nblrncpaqs4pu?s= ... 5&bl=32022

No resists in those lines. So does that mean that the proc is based on per paladin debuff rather than by the ability solo?

ie Pally 1's judgement has its own 4 second window like Pally 2's would have therefore having 2 independent lockout windows per proc?

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My question to this is do you and the other paladin judging light have identical buffed ap/sp so that each of your jol would heal for an identical amount, or is the game allowing multiple procs with the highest one always deciding the value?
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Postby Eanin » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:44 pm

Stacked judgements of light always proc for the same amount, no matter how many pallies cast it. It's one reason I think there's some sort of bug going on.
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Postby kurros » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:11 am

Judgement stacking
Justice of Wisdom is not supposed to stack. We fixed this recently, but I'm not sure when it will go out.


Yet they didn't say anything about light specifically. Not sure if it was an oversight, or maybe light is supposed to stack while wisdom is not.
Anyway, lets just agree to disagree. Go away, or I'll just start reporting you to the mods for being a troll. In exchange, I'll stop pointing out your stupid in public.
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Postby Dayblade » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:44 am

Tullock wrote:My question to this is do you and the other paladin judging light have identical buffed ap/sp so that each of your jol would heal for an identical amount, or is the game allowing multiple procs with the highest one always deciding the value?


Nah - I am normally our only Protadin - but we have been tank heavy this week and was curious on Retri's "improved" role in raids. The true Retri (Berth) has more AP.

During that particular run - I personally was doing JoW. Wanted to see if spell power added to the Wisdom gained - and it really doesn't or not enough like JoL does.

Some other wierd things I noticed were - JoW proc'd off anyone or anything - melee or ranged. Whereas for the life of me I could not find a proc for JoL on ranged attacks (Casters specifically) during that entire combat log.

[Edit - Nevermind on the JoL on ranged attacks. JoL only procs on melees attacks. L2Read. :) ]

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Postby Eanin » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:59 am

It would be a huge mistake for them to get rid of light stacking. It's a large part of holy paladin healing and prot paladin threat.

Basically, they'd be making it a bad idea to use more than one paladin, which is exactly what they've said they don't want to do.
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