Concerning Crushing Blows...

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Concerning Crushing Blows...

Postby Strom » Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:07 am

Here is something to chew on. When I was last tanking Attumen, I got hit with this:

Attumen the huntsman hits you for 5488 (292 blocked)

The thing is, when I get hit by him (always blocked of course), it comes up as ~2-3.5K usually if I remember correctly. So this hit that I am blocking has to be a crushing blow. This strikes me as odd that I am blocking a crushing blow.

Could it be that the one roll system posted on WoWWiki is incorrect?

BTW, the large hit I am refering to was no special attack. It was a normal melee attack. Granted I only seen this happen once, but it does seem weird.
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Postby Lore » Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:22 am

Interesting, I'd want to know what buffs/debuffs you and he had at the time.

The one-roll system holds up best under actual testing. I doubt it's 100% correct, but it "works" as far as theorycrafting etc. If it was incorrect you'd see a lot more situations like these.

It could also be possible that Attumen had some sort of enrage/random damage buff added to him in the last patch to make him a little more difficult, as he is basically a pushover.
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Postby Strom » Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:33 am

This was before the last patch. I will be tanking him again tonight. I will save and parse my combat log to find out if something is truely up with him.
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Postby Lore » Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:35 am

Cool.

My internet access has been down at home, I probably won't get any tanking time in until next week at this point, but I'll make a point of watching him closely next time I'm on him as well.
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Postby Grampie » Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:21 am

Are you sure it was not his shadow cleave that hit you. I am warrior and I have been hit by his shadow cleave for that much.
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Postby Strom » Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:44 pm

Grampie wrote:Are you sure it was not his shadow cleave that hit you. I am warrior and I have been hit by his shadow cleave for that much.


I am sure. I went again last night and I did not have it happen again. I will keep my eyes out for it. I plan to parse each boss fight for now on just to better see whats going on.
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Postby Lorath » Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:40 am

Food for thought....

Normal hit = 2000-3500
Crushing 150% = 3000-5250
Crit 200% = 4000-7000

Which of these attacks hit you for ~5800 dam? I assuming you have 490+ def so it shouldn't be a crit... maybe he hits harder than you remembered :)
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Postby Strom » Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:01 am

Lorath wrote:Food for thought....

Normal hit = 2000-3500
Crushing 150% = 3000-5250
Crit 200% = 4000-7000

Which of these attacks hit you for ~5800 dam? I assuming you have 490+ def so it shouldn't be a crit... maybe he hits harder than you remembered :)


I have taken shadow cleaves for around that, but this was a normal hit. All the other normal hits were MUCH lower. I will grab a screeny next time this happens. It really didnt sink in that something was up with that until we were almost to Moroes.
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Postby Souleagle » Tue May 15, 2007 7:45 am

any chance it could have been a moment between holy shields or a time when HS was used up? That would make the most sense to me
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Postby Loladin » Tue May 15, 2007 8:03 am

Souleagle wrote:any chance it could have been a moment between holy shields or a time when HS was used up? That would make the most sense to me


He blocked a crushing blow?
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Postby Lore » Tue May 15, 2007 8:06 am

Loladin wrote:
Souleagle wrote:any chance it could have been a moment between holy shields or a time when HS was used up? That would make the most sense to me


He blocked a crushing blow?


1-roll attack table has been confirmed by Blizzard, albeit indirectly. I believe the actual statement was something to the effect of "We didn't intend for having >100% of everything else to make crushing blows impossible, but we're not going to change it"

You'd also notice a lot more blocked crushes if it were possible.
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Postby Joanadark » Tue May 15, 2007 9:58 am

Its funny, because I could have sworn I've seen this happen before too, and I know a couple other people who make the same claim.

I did some digging, but there wasnt a whole lot of reliable data to work on.


I do not think that the one-roll theory is wrong. Too much would be dramatically different if that were the case.

But I would not be surprised to find that it is slightly incomplete.





Food for thought....

Normal hit = 2000-3500
Crushing 150% = 3000-5250
Crit 200% = 4000-7000

Which of these attacks hit you for ~5800 dam? I assuming you have 490+ def so it shouldn't be a crit... maybe he hits harder than you remembered


I believe he meant that normal block attacks deal 2000-3500 damage to him, so that is after his ~300 block value.

In that case:

Normal hit = 2300-3800
Crushing 150% = 3450-5700
Crit 200% = 4600-7600

which makes the damage range not quite as far off as it appeared.
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Postby Sabindeus » Tue May 15, 2007 10:46 am

Maybe it was a special attack? Also I am pretty sure Attumen hits harder after he Voltrons with Midnight...
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Postby Dalhia » Tue May 15, 2007 9:31 pm

I have a screenie of one of our warrior tanks being HIT for 13k by Maiden a while ago, so this could just be a bug.
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Postby Strom » Wed May 16, 2007 7:08 am

Sabindeus wrote:Maybe it was a special attack? Also I am pretty sure Attumen hits harder after he Voltrons with Midnight...


I have never had this happen to me again. Thus why I never brought it back up.

It was not the big special he does.
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