[10N] Lei Shen

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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Ironshield » Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:58 am

We're taking our first proper crack at Lei Shen this evening, and there was one mechanic thing that I wasn't 100% sure on. What is the rule for which conduit is destroyed? Is it highest energy per level or highest total energy?

in other words imagine we have:
N 90% L1
E 60% L1
S 10% L2

in other words South has dinged and is very low energy when the transition happens. Which will be destroyed North or South?
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Calleana » Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:36 am

I believe it is total energy so in the example S would destroy in P2 transition.

We just managed to kill this guy last night and would say the transitions are the hardest bits. Good luck!
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Ironshield » Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:19 am

That is a relief, otherwise accidental dings could mean ore problems tban just a bit more damage.
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Donatist » Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:29 am

@Ironshield

Sorry to burst your bubble but accidental dings do mean more than just extra damage. An extra ding on Overcharge means more people get overcharged. An extra ding on Bouncing Bolts means more bouncing bolts and the adds are bigger and harder. An extra level on Diffusion means the adds cant be CCd and rape the raid more. An extra ding on static im not sure cause we never did it.
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Ironshield » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:31 am

Yeah, but that's all just extra damage essentially - not disabling an entirely wrong ability and needing to adjust the whole strategy :)

I'm thinking of P2 really where we will probably HAVE to ding some conduit, but if we END at the conduit to ding then we can just stay put and PEW PEW whereas if we had a situation were it dinged and then we killed it BEFORE it got up above the other two then potentially the wrong quadrant (E-W instead of E-S/N) could get disabled and we'd only have one quadrant for P3. To play it safe I intend aiming for making sure that N is higher than W before ending at S so however it works ONE of N-S is disabled, but it would be good to know for sure.
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Sagara » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:33 am

Most people have one conduit near maxed-up or fully maxed-up during P2 for their first kills, It's just a matter of choosing the best one for you. We usually keep the chain lightning for that one, but a case could be made for most of them.
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Darielle » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:50 am

It IS possible to get them to 100 without levelling them.

You also don't get nearly as much Energy on conduits if you dance in and out of the conduit. You should be able to make 3 pillars take at least 4-5 minutes that way, and frankly doing 35% of his health in 4 minutes is not very strict.

Also, if you get 2 conduits to the same Energy I believe the preference is N > E > S > W, aka clockwise.
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Sagara » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:28 am

Oh, definitly doable, but I wouldn't set that as high priority for a first kill. Most important is to have no pillar leveled up in Phase 1, and try to limit the level on the powered-up pillar in Phase 2 (although you'll probably be very high the first time around).
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Donatist » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:14 am

Donatist wrote:@Ironshield

Sorry to burst your bubble but accidental dings do mean more than just extra damage. An extra ding on Overcharge means more people get overcharged. An extra ding on Bouncing Bolts means more bouncing bolts and the adds are bigger and harder. An extra level on Diffusion means the adds cant be CCd and rape the raid more. An extra ding on static im not sure cause we never did it.



Sorry i mistook this thread for the heroic thread. :( sorryz
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Andrastía » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:21 am

Hey all, dragging the taunt issue up again, we are progressing on Lei at the min, our first attempts were fine, pally (me) and DK and no problems at all, but last night we had pally/druid combo and my taunts were immune, no set pattern, 1st 2 tries i couldnt take the boss after decapitate. I took the 1st but couldnt take the boss back, so he was taunted once and i was immune.

We thought we were past it after the next couple of tries were fine, then bang, i tried to taunt after the first Fusion slash and again he was immune, really frustrating, ive been told i may be taunting to early. ofc i taunt on decapitate as soon as its applied, and fusion slash as soon as i see the tank fly across the room :)
i dont see surely how this could cause issues as i was doing exactly the same the week before.
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Sagara » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:55 am

Odd, haven't had taunt issues on this one in like ever. I'd advise getting your log and looking for Taunts casted.

Even money says someone or something is taunting.
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Calleana » Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:38 am

Sagara wrote:Even money says someone or something is taunting.


Does the druid have it accidently macroed to something or did you have a hunter pet/ warlock pet with taunt on so tanks were taunting back without really thinking about it?
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Andrastía » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:29 am

Not sure, i didnt have to taunt at any time other than when i was supposed to. will flick through my log and see if anything comes up, on my Skada it Reckoning casts were 100% immune on the tries were i had issues
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Thels » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:04 am

Galiks wrote:anyone clearing this on normal tonight please try the whole raid stacking on the tank or very near/in front for phase 2 (following the first intermission) and PM me with what happens ;)


That's how we do P2. We first spread out slightly as the adds spawn, so we don't AoE each other. We then all stand on top of the tank, and wait for the Lightning Whip. After the Lightning Whip, everyone stands behind the Boss. It's really easy to handle the Overcharge and the blue circle meteor thingy. (We do disable the chain lightning one during P1!)



Ironshield wrote:We're taking our first proper crack at Lei Shen this evening, and there was one mechanic thing that I wasn't 100% sure on. What is the rule for which conduit is destroyed? Is it highest energy per level or highest total energy?

in other words imagine we have:
N 90% L1
E 60% L1
S 10% L2

in other words South has dinged and is very low energy when the transition happens. Which will be destroyed North or South?


What you probably want to do is start at the platform you want to overcharge (I recommend East, but it's personal choice, really.), and keep the boss at each platform until just after the Thunderstruck. There's usually the crap on the ground right after, so if you don't instantly run after Thunderstruck, the mess should be on the old platform/in between the platforms and not bothering you. That should put the first platform at 85ish, and the 2nd and 3rd at 70ish.



Never had any taunt immune issues during P1 and P2. We usually have one immune at P3 (we have one tank taunt during every Lightning Whip, and the other tank taunt during every Thunderstruck), but putting salvation on the tank that shouldn't be tanking solves that.
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Belloc » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:40 pm

Sagara wrote:Odd, haven't had taunt issues on this one in like ever. I'd advise getting your log and looking for Taunts casted.

Even money says someone or something is taunting.

Yeah, there's pretty much no question about it: The druid is taunting -- probably has it macroed into something. Lei Shen will not go taunt immune unless someone is taunting. I imagine logs would confirm this.

Andrastia: Does your guild use World of Logs?
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Andrastía » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:07 am

Hi Belloc, we normally do as a rule but we have only just got our team back together so our last raid wasnt logged, as it happens it did it again last night, this time on Ji-kun, so i started to log it myself, typical though it didnt happen again and according to the log both myself and the druid taunted 4 times each.
I will log this weeks Lei-shen attempts and check them over if i have issues.
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Sagara » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:45 am

Great. Do keep an eye on Hunter and Warlock pets (and random tank-capable DPS'ers) - it's often those you least expect.
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Fenrìr » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:26 am

If they state that the taunt isn't on, tell them to open their spell book and check.
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Calleana » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:59 am

I find it helpful to have my UI set to show the colour of the class the mob is targetting so I can quickly realise when it's green (pet colours) rather than pink or red.
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Hrobertgar » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:12 pm

As far as Taunt Immune, can't you just abuse this with Hand of Salvation and Divine Shield (Immune) abilities. Get two pallies (even a Holy Pally can play Taunt Pong) in the raid with Clemency and bounce him back and forth.

I have done something similar in LFR to help the Frost tank avoid getting frozen.

Taunt - run away - Hand of Salve - Wait for it - cancel Salve - run some more - Div Shield - Wait for it - cancel Div Shield. That could buy you 30 secs or so right there if you are carefull.

And that didn't even use second Salvation from Clemency, or a Hand of Prot.
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby oldboyz » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:31 am

big bug yesterday : taunt immune on the 1st switch... !!! happened several time**
on other try, happened also latter on fight (like just before 1st transition)

** to be more precise : other tank start the fight, decapite happen, i taunt, the boss stay on other tank, (my taunt is now on CD...), i do not show #1 on ommen
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby Belloc » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:08 pm

That's not a bug -- your other tank is taunting while tanking and making the boss go immune. He's probably got taunt macroed into another ability.

Download Simple Taunt Announce (http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/sta) and configure it as you see fit. This will show you (or the raid) whenever someone uses a taunt.

Also, if you have any World of Logs reports from that night, feel free to link them here and we can prove it.
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Re: [10N] Lei Shen

Postby oldboyz » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:33 am

Possible indeed as it was a new tank..... so used to raid iwith vétéran folks...
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