Mists of Pandaria

[Worldie]

That is because rogue finishers have a linear scaling with their CP, while TV and ShoR have exponential values.

[theckhd]

Yup. If you'll notice, WoG (which scales linearly) is still "up to 3."

TV and SotR at lower-HP were just illusions of choice anyway. In a raiding context, you never hit them until you had 3. Having the ability to hit them at 1 or 2 didn't add anything except the ability to screw up from time to time when you weren't paying enough attention.

[Fetzie]

By using <3 HP ShoRs you could also get 100% uptime on the 25% block value buff if I am not mistaken.

[theckhd]

That assumes it would last the full 6 seconds if you used less than 3 HP. More likely it'd scale 1/2.5/6 to prevent exactly that.

[Klaudandus]

I've heard rumors that they're reconsidering the shared lockouts.

[Worldie]

Would be cool considering they have been a fail.

[Mannstein]

Yup. If you'll notice, WoG (which scales linearly) is still "up to 3."

TV and SotR at lower-HP were just illusions of choice anyway. In a raiding context, you never hit them until you had 3. Having the ability to hit them at 1 or 2 didn't add anything except the ability to screw up from time to time when you weren't paying enough attention.

Randomness aside,
On a Strong AOE situation a DS+Judg+TV(2HP)+DS+TV(1HP), isn't better that a TV(3HP) due to the Seal of right(...)ss (can't sp that :S )?
everytime i TV(1hp) i have the Right(...)ss cleave, right?

[theckhd]

I was thinking about single-target situations. I honestly don't know the answer to that question for AoE, but it seems feasible to me for maximizing AoE damage in that 7.5-second window (bloods on Madness, maybe?). You'd have to ask someone who's done the math to be sure though.

[Sabindeus]

Would be cool considering they have been a fail.

seriously?

[theckhd]

Would be cool considering they have been a fail.

Have to disagree there. I'm happy to be able to run DS10 on a different character rather than feeling obligated to repeat the instance on Theck. Running DS three times per week (25H, 10H, and LFR) on Theck would get old really fast. It's much more interesting to be able to do it on a different character/role the second and third times (25H on Theck, 10H on warlock, LFR on random alts).

[Worldie]

In my opinion, the shared lockout system failed when LFR got introduced, it was working decently before that.

Introducing LFR on a separate lockout was pretty much the same as not having shared lockout at all, since people are forced to run both LFR and normal/hc.

Either all shared or nothing is my thought.

[KysenMurrin]

Forced? The only reason I did LFR on my main is because I had bad luck on a few gear drps in Firelands. If you set the right ilevel and don't use overpowered set bonuses, LFR should never be mandatory for raiders.

[JoeBravo]

Would be cool considering they have been a fail.

Have to disagree there. I'm happy to be able to run DS10 on a different character rather than feeling obligated to repeat the instance on Theck. Running DS three times per week (25H, 10H, and LFR) on Theck would get old really fast. It's much more interesting to be able to do it on a different character/role the second and third times (25H on Theck, 10H on warlock, LFR on random alts).

completely agree as the seperate 25 & 10 man lockouts and the feeling to be obliged do both each week is what burned me out 3 years ago.

And I somehow don't feel obliged to do LFR, so don't mind that being on a separate lockout.
Thinking about the results of it sharing the lockout fils me with dread aswell.

[Worldie]

You are allowed to disagree with me, of course.Though, I really preferred when you could run both 10 and 25.

[Mannstein]

Would be cool considering they have been a fail.

seriously?

What is advantage of separate lockouts?
The only advantage would be to 25men guild me thinks, or am i missing something?