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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Passionario » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:47 am

I'll be the devil's advocate and suggest Nat Pagle. He's playable in practically everything.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Worldie » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:54 am

Or bait removers earlier.

Most of the time i was able to istagib legendaries. The games where i had sll my removsl/silences used, just putting a 8+ lege down spelt loss.

My understanding is that to make use of super high value cards, you need to prepare the way for them. If you play a ragnaros against a mage that has several cards in hand and hasn't used any sheep yet, you kinda just asked for one and wasted both the legendary and 8 mana
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:02 am

Yeah, that's why I laugh about it instead of complaining. (And in my case, it was Arena, so I could never have expected the other guy's Rag. I had two other minions down, one of them a taunt, to protect him.)
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:41 pm

A paladin I just played against in constructed used Gelbin Mekkatorque and got the one that buffs a random minion. Then on a later turn he gave the buff thing Blessing of Kings, Blessing of Wisdom, and Divine Shield. Then he used Faceless Manipulator. That was a pretty scary turn.


By the way, this is the deck I'm running after the advice from the turn2 podcast:

Earth Shock x 2
Lightning Bolt x 2
Rockbiter Weapon x 2
Windfury x 1
Nat Pagle
Flametongue Totem x 2
Sunfury Protector x 2
Feral Spirit x 2
Lightning Storm x 2
Hex x 2
Tinkmaster Overspark
Unbound Elemental x 2
Leeroy Jenkins
Doomhammer x 1
Azure Drake x 2
Fire Elemental x 2
Alexstrasza
Molten Giant x 2

It's a lot better than I had before, but still not amazing. The Sunfury Protectors are a big deal when I get rushed down and can drop Molten Giants then give them taunt (though they do get Black Knighted often).
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Schroom » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:56 am

hoi, just found this thread :) nice.

I'm not going to read all 40 pages of this thread, so sorry if it came up already. but what sources do you guys use to know about the current metagame. what are the popular decks atm?
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:25 am

I tend to keep up with ihearthu.com and hearthpwn.com; I watch things like Turn2 and their King of the Hill contest, sometimes watch other shows like Master Class, Value Town. I occasionally watch streamers, but not so often. And if you're wondering about some decks that are doing well at the moment, it never hurts to look at what Savjz and StrifeCro are playing (check their Twitch pages), as well as others.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Schroom » Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:36 am

thanks I didn't know Arthosis hosted a show like this :) great stuff. I now also found http://hearthstonetopdeck.com/ as I was researching Realz Druid deck. for everybody who is interested.

it is a great deck by way. went from rank 14 to 11 in 30 minutes yesterday :)
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Winkle » Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:42 am

Team Liquid have got a Hearthstone discussion board now as well: http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/index ... ow_part=24

Other streamers that play a lot of constructed at high level are:

Kolento: http://www.twitch.tv/kolento
MaSsanSC: http://www.twitch.tv/massansc
Ek0p: http://www.twitch.tv/ek0p
Moldran: http://www.twitch.tv/moldran
Apllejacked: http://www.twitch.tv/applejacked
Veev: http://www.twitch.tv/Veev
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby jere » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:37 am

I've so far been leary to disenchant anything. With my limited knowledge on the game, I'm concerned I'll DE something that is actually a good card but just looks terrible and never be able to get it back. Are there any lists out there for what is ok to DE?
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Schroom » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:48 am

General tip, I only disenchant redundant cards.

so if you got a card 3 times disenchant it once, as you can only use 2 of the same cards in one deck.

with legendarys you can only use one per deck. so if you got the same legendary twice, disenchant it once.

if you got a card 2 times / legendary once and you have the same card one more time in golden disenchant the golden one. It gives you a lot more dust.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Passionario » Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:04 am

Neat trick I learned today: if you play Eye for an Eye and immediately attack some big minion with a weapon, the secret will trigger. Makes for a rather unexpected finisher.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Nooska » Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:12 am

Passionario wrote:Neat trick I learned today: if you play Eye for an Eye and immediately attack some big minion with a weapon, the secret will trigger. Makes for a rather unexpected finisher.

Non-obvious, but absolutely . used it myself a few times (it does say "when you tke damage"..) :-)
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Worldie » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:17 pm

Schroom wrote:if you got a card 2 times / legendary once and you have the same card one more time in golden disenchant the golden one. It gives you a lot more dust.

I honestly always giggle when I see people playing golden cards. Feels like a waste to me, I just disenchant them as soon as I see them in a pack.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Skye1013 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 4:00 pm

My only golden cards at the moment are Mekkatorque and Auchenai Soulpriest... neither of which do I have a non-gold version.

I am contemplating spending some money on packs though...
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:36 pm

My current Shaman deck is a lot more successful than I expected it to be, so thought I'd share. Warning: It's very expensive.


Earth Shock x 2
Lightning Bolt x 2
Rockbiter Weapon x 2
Stormforged Axe x 1
Bloodmage Thalnos
Flametongue Totem x 1
Nat Pagle
Sunfury Protector x 2
Feral Spirit x 2
Hex x 2
Lightning Storm x 2
Tinkmaster Overspark
Azure Drake x 2
Faceless Manipulator x 1
Cairne Bloodhoof
Fire Elemental x 2
Ragnaros the Firelord
Alexstrasza
Mountain Giant x 1
Molten Giant x 2

The deck has a pretty weak early-mid game, but makes some amazing comebacks in the late game.
I probably could drop the Bloodmage Thalnos, I almost never seem to draw or play him.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Schroom » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:10 am

Nooska wrote:
Passionario wrote:Neat trick I learned today: if you play Eye for an Eye and immediately attack some big minion with a weapon, the secret will trigger. Makes for a rather unexpected finisher.

Non-obvious, but absolutely . used it myself a few times (it does say "when you tke damage"..) :-)



it is fun do Alexstrasza yourself with it ^^

imagine, you are at 30 and your opponent is at 15.

Now go and Alextrasza yourself.

*gg*

@Kysen. mh I'm missing the second molten giant to built this :( but sounds interesting :)

well i have like > 90% of all the cards right now so buying pacs gives me dust about all the time. this is why I go for arena now :) also as I get more dust (alsmost everything is disenchanted from my decks) I get to craft cards faster :D
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Worldie » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:08 am

I just got Jaraxxus in a pack... how does one build a warlock deck? :o
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:50 am

Not familiar with Warlock, really. Jaraxxus is something you see more in control or mid-game decks, though, so you'd be looking that direction.

Schroom: I've made a small change to my Shaman deck - I swapped the Faceless Manipulator for a Defender of Argus. I'm not sure if dropping that card was right, but I had no 4 drops and I wanted to more consistently be able to stabilise at low health with taunts.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:02 pm

I have no idea why this just popped into my head, but it did and I wanted to note it down.

Future card idea: Grand Expedition Yak, a Beast with Charge and Battlecry: Summon two 2/2 Grummles (of course when played the Grummles would be Cousin Slowhands and Mystic Birdhat). It'd have to be an expensive card, possibly even a Legendary.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:36 am

I've been trying out some other Shaman decks lately rather than my own one (which at this point is just way too slow for the current meta). I tried StrifeCro's Shaman and it was awful, just awful - I could barely win anything with it, for some reason. Then I made some changes based on Razor's deck from last week's King of the Hill, and suddenly it all worked. I had a 7-win streak yesterday. So I'm pretty happy with the deck for now.

But it's left me with one big question: Why can't I beat Hunters?

I've been using Hearthstone Stats since around Christmas to track my win rates, and for Shaman, across every deck I've tried, I have a 20% win rate against Hunter. That's half the win rate of my next worst match up (Warlock, 40-45%). I'm not sure why, but when I come up against Hunter it's almost a guaranteed loss, whether I'm playing a mid-range bursty deck like now, or a big slow deck that plays with huge late game swings using taunts and Alexstrasza.

No idea if it's just a bad match up, or if I'm playing things very wrong.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Schroom » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:42 am

when rush hunters where very popular I tweeted my deck adding very inexpensive taunts. A Hunter killer here is Silverback Patriarch. If you manage to slow down their assault they.

I love Realz decks too. :)

at the moment I play Krustyz Paladin Control deck tho.

it put me to rank 7 at the moment.

http://hearthstonetopdeck.com/Deck.php?d=520
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Passionario » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:01 am

KysenMurrin wrote:No idea if it's just a bad match up, or if I'm playing things very wrong.

It's a bad matchup. You have no healing class cards to slow down their clock, your hero power feeds them additional UtH tokens and most of your removal puts you at a tempo disadvantage.

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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:56 am

Not currently. Feral Spirits and a Defender of Argus at the moment. I can understand that the class is weak against rush decks, but 20%? That's ridiculous.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Passionario » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:53 am

If it's any consolation, Shaman is my weakest matchup even though I beat Hunters about 80% of the time. It's a rock-paper-scissors metagame at the moment.

(I run the third Ultimate deck from this article, substituting Alezstrasza for Cenarius)
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:18 am

Season ends tonight. Looks like I end this one with rank 5 as my highest. Need to try more.
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