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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:31 am

Taking it to 2/2 would be far too much. Making them 2/3 though, with the same Battlecries, I think would work. (Health of minions tends to be more important than attack for controlling the board.)

Shattered Sun Cleric is probably the least in need of changing of the three. Defender of Argus and Dark Iron Dwarf are clearly overbudgeted (5/5 and 6/4 for 4).

I might argue for:
- SSC unchanged
- DoA 2/3, same Battlecry
- Dark Iron Dwarf and Stormpike Commando switch costs (4/4 +2 attack for 5 mana, 4/2 +2 damage for 4 mana)



I'll tell you one card I've started to appreciate lately - though I'd not use it in constructed outside of Priest - and that's Injured Blademaster. 4/3 for 3 mana is good value, though you have to avoid letting it trade with 3/2 2-drops.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Flex » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:14 pm

Changes for next patch:
Shattered Sun Cleric is now a 3/2 (was a 3/3)
Argent Commander is now a 4/2 (was a 4/3)
Flame Imp’s Battlecry now deals 3 damage (up from 2)
Mind Control’s mana cost is now 10 (up from 8)
Starving Buzzard is now a 2/1 (was a 2/2)
Unleash the Hounds has been reworked and now reads: “(4) For each enemy minion, summon a 1/1 Hound with Charge”.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:42 pm

Yikes, big nerf for the Commander. And Unleash the Hounds becomes a pretty weak AoE. Wonder if the Hunter class will manage now that it's lost its main winning strategy.

Edit: Just seen someone pointing out the combo potential of the new Unleash the Hounds. The new spell will interact with Starving Buzzard for card draw, it'll trigger things like Knife Juggler, could be used alongside the "+attack to beasts" minions, and killing the Hounds would work with the Hyena and things like Cult Master. Could actually work well.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Kai » Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:49 pm

feels like the changes don't do enough. every minion based deck will still run 2 copies of each cleric, defender, dwarf and commander. and those cards will still be a massive reason to play such decks. would've loved to see the defender take a hit as well at least.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:03 pm

Defender of Argus very much should have. I suspect the only reason it didn't is that it's a Rare, which means less casual players actually have two of them in their decks, so they're not showing up as a problem on a wide scale in their stats.

I think the Unleash the Hounds change would be good if it didn't depend on the number of minions your opponent has played, and it might be too expensive at 4 mana. "Summon 3 1/1 Hounds with Charge" for 3 mana? It's like a Frostbolt, but costs more and interacts with lots of other cards...
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Flex » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:21 pm

I hate murloc decks.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Kai » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:16 am

KysenMurrin wrote:I think the Unleash the Hounds change would be good if it didn't depend on the number of minions your opponent has played, and it might be too expensive at 4 mana. "Summon 3 1/1 Hounds with Charge" for 3 mana? It's like a Frostbolt, but costs more and interacts with lots of other cards...


yeah, I don't see that card being decent either. it's bad if your opponent doesn't have 3+ minions out. and if that's the case, you are most likely in trouble. I guess turn 6 knife juggler +unleash or buzzard + unleash could get you back in the game if you're behind, although with buzzard not even sure. you get to draw some cards, but might not even get the time to use them if your opponent is that far ahead on the board. and the 1/1s probably won't change that fact.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Sagara » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:09 am

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KysenMurrin wrote:I think the Unleash the Hounds change would be good if it didn't depend on the number of minions your opponent has played, and it might be too expensive at 4 mana. "Summon 3 1/1 Hounds with Charge" for 3 mana? It's like a Frostbolt, but costs more and interacts with lots of other cards...


yeah, I don't see that card being decent either. it's bad if your opponent doesn't have 3+ minions out. and if that's the case, you are most likely in trouble. I guess turn 6 knife juggler +unleash or buzzard + unleash could get you back in the game if you're behind, although with buzzard not even sure. you get to draw some cards, but might not even get the time to use them if your opponent is that far ahead on the board. and the 1/1s probably won't change that fact.


Honestly, had they made the Hounds 3/1 Chargers, it still would be far from OP - who honestly keeps more than 3 minions on the board? Well okay, maybe Pallies and Shammies, but even then that'd be a learning experience for the Pally/Sham.
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Re: Hearthstone

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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Worldie » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:51 am

Hearthstone: The only game where they don't nerf mages. (and paladins)
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:24 am

New patch is live in US, coming to EU tomorrow. It brings the updated Ranked Play system announced at Blizzcon, the change to Arena to bring it up to 12 matches from 9, the gold cap, the ability to abandon one quest a day (you get a random new quest), and the announced card changes.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Flex » Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:12 am

There needs to be a reason to play against friends. Why have a friends list at all otherwise?

My proposal is a best of 5, or 7, arena tournament.

Invite your friend to play. The winner receives either 20 gold or a single card. The loser gets 10 gold, no chance of a card. That's not per hand but per tournament. The rewards would respect the 100 gold cap from Play mode and you would be limited to 5 victories per day but unlimited friend arena play.

Posted this to the official US forums and of course everyone's focus was on the rewards and why do you need a reason to play against your friends?

Rewards can be adjusted and worked out, shocker and that's why I made the post, but the current set up makes it the same as max play mode winnings. Reason to play your friend is that there is literally no reason to play them at all, one WoW guild has zero desire to do random match making but can't really progress without doing it so he won't play. WoW has a big focus on getting back to playing with your friends, Hearthstone could have some of that injected into it.

So what are your thoughts and suggestions?
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:22 am

How much incentive does there need to be? It's a competitive card game, if people want to play against friends they will.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Worldie » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:05 am

I heard legends of people playing for fun. Read something about it in some Egyptian tomb.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:04 am

While it would be nice... it would be abused by some to get "free" rewards (which I'm sure is why you suggested limits.)
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Sagara » Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:39 am

Worldie wrote:I heard legends of people playing for fun. Read something about it in some Egyptian tomb.


Hey! I played HS for fun once.

It was awful.

P.S. Actually because the difference in drawn hands made the game a relative no-brainer.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:02 am

I'm pretty sure fun isn't allowed in games.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:07 am

Playing the new Ranked, seems Win Streak is pretty strong. Obviously there to quickly separate out the better players rather than have them lingering in the lower ranks. I'm only having to play one match per rank to advance. I'm at rank 21.

Mind you, having the extra rank-up screen pop up before the old level up one is kinda annoying. Maybe it's just because it has no sound effects right now.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Flex » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:13 am

KysenMurrin wrote:Playing the new Ranked, seems Win Streak is pretty strong. Obviously there to quickly separate out the better players rather than have them lingering in the lower ranks. I'm only having to play one match per rank to advance. I'm at rank 21.


From what I read the system is designed for upward mobility. Can't lose levels below 20, Winstreak from up to level 5 then rank 5 is where it gets harder.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:34 am

I notice that due to the new feature to let you find the last person you played, your full Battletag is visible to every opponent.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Worldie » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:44 am

Full battletag has always been visible to the opponents o.o

Or wait it shows the numbers too now?
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:58 am

On your social tab, it shows the full battletag, including number, of your last opponent, and lets you add them as a friend. Not a big thing, I guess, just don't think they usually make the full tag visible to strangers inside their games.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Passionario » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:39 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:Edit: Just seen someone pointing out the combo potential of the new Unleash the Hounds. The new spell will interact with Starving Buzzard for card draw, it'll trigger things like Knife Juggler, could be used alongside the "+attack to beasts" minions, and killing the Hounds would work with the Hyena and things like Cult Master. Could actually work well.

Having played against the new UtH yesterday, I can confirm that it does, in fact, work rather well.

(Edit: That said, there's still no reason to play anything other than Mage until the next patch)

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If your friend won't play with you without a reward, send him or her some real money for packs after the match. :P
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:39 am

Had a god-awful Arena run as a Warlock yesterday. Knew I shouldn't have picked Warlock because I'm not very familiar with the class, but did it anyway. Ended 1/3.

The 1 win was fun, though. I dropped an 8/6 Void Terror on turn 4, cloned it with Faceless Manipulator on turn 5, played a Pit Lord on turn 6, and then a Sea Giant on turn 7. My opponent had managed to delay with mirror images and Frostbolt but he conceded after that. :lol:
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Kai » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:04 am

guess nerfing defender of argus isn't needed anyway. he's either stuck in your hand behind some card uncastable/unclickable or the game randomly switches around your minions every few seconds.
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