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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:59 am

I dont' get too concerned about the idea that maybe a card will suddenly come into fashion. Some cards are obviously unlikely to see widespread use, others I just don't see being all that popular.

Pirates, for example, are only used in some niche decks with little success - I'd keep the 2/1 Charge and eliminate the rest. Murlocs have some viable builds, but not in the current meta, and they're not a style I like, so after trying once I now only keep the Coldlight Oracle (which has occasional use for Mage and Rogue).

And I'll just go through some classes quickly to show my thinking.

For Druid, I always automatically disenchant Savagery, Bite, and Soul of the Forest (latter could become viable some day, especially after Naxx, but it's a common so I'm not too concerned about getting it back). Paladin, I automatically DE Blessed Champion, Holy Wrath, and all Secrets except Noble Sacrifice. Again, they could be used in soem decks, but they're unlikely to be significant. Rogue, I'll DE Patient Assassin, Headcrack, Master of Disguise, and Kidnapper, because they're all just bad cards.

I do those even if I'm not currently planning to craft anything in particular. And there are many, many more Common cards I'll never keep (just from first two pages: Wisp, Chicken, Corsair, Crab, Secretkeeper, Dragonhawk).

All these little bits of dust add up. If your collection is small, any cards you're not using now or soon are just doing nothing for you.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Passionario » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:24 am

KysenMurrin wrote:This deck, man. This freaking deck. I'm laughing my ass off here as I shoot on up the ranks.

I wish my results with Ramp would be even nearly as good.

I keep getting slaughtered. Even Priests run rings around me! And since the deck itself is obviously very good and pretty straightforward, it's obvious that the problem is me. I'm bad and I should feel bad and so I do. :(
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:00 am

I've only come across two or three priests, and had trouble with them. Ramp is supposed to be good because of 4 attack minions, but doesn't feel that way.

I think my favourite matchup might actually be Miracle Rogue. That one's just about playing a 4 or 5 health body every turn so they're occupied clearing and using up their damage, then setting up for the burst finish.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Jul 05, 2014 2:55 pm

Welp, I got to the top of rank 4, then my luck ended.

I've dropped back to the bottom of rank 5 from all that. :(


Edit: I've just been reminded of another automatic disenchant target: Card's you'll never play 2 of in the same deck. Gorehowl, Doomhammer, Nourish, Brawl, probably Big Game Hunter, things like that.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Passionario » Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:05 am

I can't break out of the rank 12-10 limbo. Tried everything from ramp to handlock to zoo to miracle to shockadin to control warrior, but nothing works.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Andurin » Mon Jul 07, 2014 1:40 am

Got a golden Velen out of a pack early in the weekend, and figured i`d combine it with the Malygos I got earlier...

Its tough to get it on the field, but having both of them and then trowing out a mindblast for 20 points of damage does make me giggle a bit ^^ (only worked twice for 5 games sadly :( )
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Ironshield » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:53 am

Finally drafted a legendary after many an arena run... drew it precisely once and died the round before I could play it :( oh well.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Jul 07, 2014 5:04 am

Passionario wrote:I can't break out of the rank 12-10 limbo. Tried everything from ramp to handlock to zoo to miracle to shockadin to control warrior, but nothing works.

I don't think it's a good idea to switch a lot. The last few seasons I've been trying to pick one deck and mostly stick to that - you take one you're relatively comfortable with, and play it non-stop so that you learn the ins and outs and your win rate starts to rise. When you stop and move to another deck, you're resetting all that experience and starting over.

The hard part's picking the right deck in the first place, and working out when to make tweaks to it to suit what you're seeing on the ladder. I'm not very good at the latter.


Edit: Not related, but after writing this post I've had something of an epiphany, and decided I'm going to fit a Naturalize into my Druid deck. I think it'll give me an edge in the Druid mirror match (and Druids are everywhere in the top 5 ranks).
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Passionario » Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:31 am

The problem is that I'm too easily tilted (I think that's the term).

It usually goes like this. I start playing a deck and it's the best deck ever. Opponents fall like flies, stars come in a flurry, my Warsong portrait becomes a BGH, the BGH becomes an Ogre... and then I start losing badly. Losing to aggro, to control, to matchups that are supposed to be bad and to ones that are supposed to be good, and, of course, to mirror (which is particularly frustrating, since it's the same deck, except piloted by someone who is clearly a better player than me). I eke out a couple more wins, but each is followed by multiple losses. In the end, I find myself at the start of rank 12, full of misery, frustration and loathing for the deck.

Then I decide to try a different approach, since my current one is clearly not working. I start playing another deck - and guess what, it's the best deck ever. Opponents fall like flies, stars come in a flurry, I start thinking that I should've played this one in the first place... and then the cycle repeats itself.

Finally, I look at the clock, see that it's 2 AM already, and realize that I've just spent several hours with nothing but 50-60 gold and a major headache to show for it.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:38 am

Have you tried just taking a break when you start to drop back, then coming back in on the same deck?

I get that kind of cycle all the time. I won constantly from Monday to Saturday, then on Saturday afernoon I started losing everything (went from 75% to something like 40%). Sunday I got back to about 50/50, then I started to pull back ahead on Sunday evening. I stuck with the deck, stopped to eat/read/whatever when I was doing badly, and slowly got back into it. It's happened to me with every deck, a big run of wins then some bad luck. Usually it's around when you start hitting the higher ranks and meeting a slightly different mix of players and decks - it takes a while to adapt.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Passionario » Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:58 pm

KysenMurrin wrote:Have you tried just taking a break when you start to drop back, then coming back in on the same deck?

It didn't help. Still there, still losing (both games and hope).
KysenMurrin wrote:The last few seasons I've been trying to pick one deck and mostly stick to that - you take one you're relatively comfortable with, and play it non-stop so that you learn the ins and outs and your win rate starts to rise.

How much time does it usually take you to get to that point?

I've played about a couple hundred games with ramp Druid so far, but I don't feel any real improvement.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:28 am

Not quite sure, to be honest. I've been stalled at the rank 4/5 border for a few days, not sure if I'm improving. I do feel like I improved after the rough patch the first time I hit rank 4, though. Saturday and Sunday were bad, but now I'm consistently 50/50, even as the meta seems to be shifting against me. I'm getting better at beating Druid, I think, but the meta is shifting toward aggro Rogue and Paladin, so my win rate stays down.

I'm going to stick with it, though.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Paxen » Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:04 am

I played 250 ranked games in may (according to Hearthstone Tracker), 192 with Shockadin. I made it to rank 1 (and lost four matches at 5 stars :( ) If I had played a hair better and won one of those four matches I'd have made legend, so it's a realistic number of matches to legend, for me at least.

A shockadin game lasts somewhere between 4 and 7 minutes for me, so say 7.5 minutes with requeueing. That's 1500 minutes, or 25 hours, in one month. Oops.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Ironshield » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:38 am

Is there a way that I can save my Hearthstone collect to a format that I can view from my phone? I like theory crafting etc... when I'm away from my PC and saving that time for actually playing. I don't have a huge collection or anything but I do have enough that I can't just remember.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:55 am

Decided to get my own stats: This month so far I have played 218 games. 9 of those as Shaman, 12 as Mage, and 197 as Druid. Of those games, I've won 125 (57%). I've played Ranked for almost 26 hours so far this month.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Nooska » Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:29 am

Ironshield wrote:Is there a way that I can save my Hearthstone collect to a format that I can view from my phone? I like theory crafting etc... when I'm away from my PC and saving that time for actually playing. I don't have a huge collection or anything but I do have enough that I can't just remember.

Being able to view your cards out of game (like the armory) would be great (also allow better interaction on websites like heartstats and tracker (is that a better application?)
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:04 am

Yesterday I played 21 games, had a pretty much even win/loss rate, and ended 1 star lower than I began. Getting sick of being stuck in rank 5. (I hit rank 4 once, and immediately lost to two Mages back to back.)
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:14 am

Had a couple of bad days. Noticed I'm seeing some names I've seen before, so started making a note of player names and which deck they're running.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:32 pm

Rank 2! Highest I've ever been. Hopefully I won't just immediately drop back out.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Passionario » Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:40 am

Awesome! You can make it, we believe in you. :)

As for me, I finally remembered Einstein's definition of insanity and decided to give Ramp a rest for now. I think I'll focus on Miracle for the rest of the season and see if I can master than one instead.
At least it appears to be more fun to play (and much less fun to play against, but that's someone else's problem).

Funniest moment with it so far: Priest hit me with a Thoughtsteal and was rewarded with Deadly Poison and a Wisp. :)
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:15 am

...Wisp?
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Passionario » Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:28 am

Yeah, I'm trying out Freegold3's Wispect deck.

It's an aggressive Miracle variant that foregoes cycling cards like Shiv, FoK and Azure Drake in favor of seizing tempo advantage and overwhelming the opponent in the early game.
In addition to the standard Auctioneer/Leeroy/Shadowstep shenanigans, it has a second win condition in form of huge Vancleef/Questings backed by double Conceal.

I kinda like it so far. It's faster and more explosive than cookie cutter Miracle build, but not as random as variants with Mana Addicts.
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:15 pm

I hit rank 1 for the first time today, then immediately fell back out.

Edit: As of the morning after, I'm now one loss away from falling back into rank 3. :(
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby Jabari » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:09 pm

Keep at it! You're good enough to get there and there's still plenty of time left this month. :)
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Re: Hearthstone

Postby KysenMurrin » Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:00 pm

Apparently Naxxramas has a release date: 22nd July. (Next Tuesday.)

Edit: My launcher says July 23rd, so I guess EU is a day late like WoW patches. Even though they haven't really done that in Hearthstone so far. Hmm, in fact it doesn't make sense, since both sides use the same client. Must be a mistake somewhere.
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