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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Sagara » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:34 am

Which actually leads nicely into my new question: apart from not dying of boredom in a group, is there ANY reason to solo anything abover Torment 1?

Currently, my nightly solo plan is load a T1 game, complete the 2 Bonus Acts, smash the Keybearers and do one or two Rifts.
It's just when we have a guild Rift whoring night that we push for T3 or something.
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Era » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:13 am

Well, increased drop rates? I'll quote myself in.

EDIT: My crusader has about 820k dps and 9m toughness and can handle T2 easily solo, T3 fine but a bit slower. I'm usually doing T2 for now, T3-4 with groups. I don't notice that big a difference between T2 and T3 in terms of legendary drops, but in T4 it felt really noticeable.

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Expert - 21%
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Torment 2 - 37%
Torment 3 - 44%
Torment 4 - 53%
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Sagara » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:34 am

Honestly, a 60% Health and 45% Damage bonus is not really compensated well enough by a 15-20% increased droprate.

A point could be made if one basically one or two-shotted elites on T1, but otherwise, why not simply stick to T1 and tear right throught it that much faster?
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Worldie » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:54 am

Essentially as I think someone stated before, it's related to what you look to earn.

If you are in for loots, you get more out of the bucket by killing more mobs faster, than killing less slower with a higher % of drop.
It's easier to get a 2% drop off 200 mobs, than to get a 5% off 100, simply cause due to the % being very low you want to have "more chances" rather than "less chances at little higher chance".


However, experience is tuned that you mostly gain it off the big masses of trash rather than elites, and since trash kill speed doesnt change significantly between Tx and Tx+1, if you are looking to grind paragon levels (or level up a char) you want to do the highest difficulty at which you can survive and clear at a decent pace, rather than steamroll a lot of trash that gives less exp.
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Sagara » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:05 am

Which leads me to wonder why would anyone farm for xp? I just knock one paragon lvl a night now that I'm 110+ without really trying...
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Worldie » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:09 am

Some people are just obsessed with paragon farming.

Don't ask me why.
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Nooska » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:33 am

Fill me in, never did get to 60 last year, and haven't touched my PC D3 fin a looong while - what doe sParagon levels do for you? epeen only?
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Worldie » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:43 am

They actually boost your stats now (for all chars, not just one). And give a fancy portrait.
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Era » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:27 am

Nooska wrote:Fill me in, never did get to 60 last year, and haven't touched my PC D3 fin a looong while - what doe sParagon levels do for you? epeen only?



There are four tabs, and each tab contains four stats.

Tab 1: Core (main stat*, vitality, movement speed, resource cap*)
Tab 2: Offense (attack speed, crit hit chance, crit damage, cooldown reduction)
Tab 3: Defense (life %, armour, all resist, life regen)
Tab 4: Utility (area damage, resource cost reduction, life on hit, gold find*)

*STR/DEX/INT
*Max mana, max wrath, max fury, etc.
*No magic find any more except on legacy items (items from previous patch).

Every level above the cap (60 vanilla, 70 RoS) you gain 1 paragon point. First paragon point you earn can only be spent in Tab 1. Second paragon point can only be spent in Tab 2. Third paragon point can only be spent in Tab 3. Fourth paragon point can only be spent in Tab 4.
Then it goes back round: Fifth paragon point can only be spent in Tab 1, and so on.

Each paragon stat has a cap of 50 points, meaning you cannot put more than 50 points in for example attack speed.


EDIT: Oh, and they are account wide. Your level 3 barbarian has exactly the same amount of paragon levels as your level 60 wizard or level 70 crusader. Earning a paragon level on one character means everyone gets +1 level. Putting it all in DPS stats does help a bit with leveling, but it's not big enough an increase to make you overpowered or anything (unlike sticking a high level red gem in a low level weapon).
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Flex » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:30 am

Main stat and Vitality do not have caps. So once you reach paragon 800 you are effectively done but can still progress.
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Era » Fri May 02, 2014 2:21 am

The novelty of the new expansion and new class is starting to wear off, and it's starting to feel like a grindy rut again. :(
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Worldie » Fri May 02, 2014 2:54 am

Well it is a grind game (much more like D2 now).
Not everyone does enjoy grind games. In the end it's like playing Skyrim or GTA after having finished the main storyline for example. Some people play them over and over and never get bored, some others get bored of it fast and never log again.

From my personal view, I like it to pass time at work. It's relaxing, time consuming, and I can pause it anytime a customer approaches, which is exactly what I need.
Very unlikely to play it at home though.

I have some friends who really enjoy the grindfest that D3 is, I just joined their clan and play with them or ask them for advices anytime I want to.
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Era » Fri May 02, 2014 3:51 am

Can imagine it'd be a great filler for downtime at work, yeah. I mostly play games at home in my free evenings, so the grind is starting to get to me. I think it's probably because of the min/maxing of running lower difficulty for speed > drop chance. More challenge tend to make things more interesting, in my opinion anyway, but I don't feel like ramping up the difficulty either. Kind of just lost my momentum,I guess.
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Worldie » Fri May 02, 2014 5:00 am

Well, after you get a bit of good items, you get to a point where even minimal upgrades are rare, and you just farm either for the challenge (at higher torment) or to pass time :)

In the end D3 is a glorified single player, so you shouldnt really feel wrong if it bores you after a while :P
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Worldie » Sat May 03, 2014 12:18 am

I'm just getting at that frustrating point where i literally faceroll T2 (even killing some elites in 10ish seconds) but I don't have enough damage for T3. Torment scaling is a little too brutal ._.
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Sagara » Sat May 03, 2014 6:36 am

I'm starting to get bored of the Barb as well, trying for a fuckton of time to get good rings, but Kadala's being a bitch and the Mystic costs multiples fucktons of gold to turn good rings into great rings.

So meanwhile, I'm finishing up the other toons to 70 and discover (at last) the class variety in this game :-p
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Era » Sat May 03, 2014 9:11 am

Man, them gem costs... T_T
My rings and amulets still have room for improvement (0.5% of CS here, 0.5% of AS there...), but it's just so expensive. I hate spending my gold in any game, even if this really is the only thing you can spend gold on in this game now. I just don't like using it. I want to hoard it, and then sleep on top of a pile of it.

I've leveled all the classes to 70 (bar the Demon Hunter, which is 60-something), figuring I'll spread all my reject legendaries among them. Though with the smart loot, most of the time they'll have the wrong core stat.
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Delphineas » Sat May 03, 2014 4:56 pm

That is my biggest gripe. Almost everything is either smartloot or vit trash. Makes gearing a follower with different main stat a pain.Least if you want them to do any damage.
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Sagara » Sat May 03, 2014 11:41 pm

Didn't have as much of a problem with Lindon at least - most Bow/Crossbows are Dex-aligned, even on my Barb.
Necks and Rings are another matter, but it does drop from time to time...
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Skye1013 » Sun May 04, 2014 5:12 am

I just save legendaries that have decent secondary stats so I only have to pay to reroll the main stat on my alts... seems to work out well enough.

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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby fuzzygeek » Sun May 04, 2014 5:28 am

Delphineas wrote:That is my biggest gripe. Almost everything is either smartloot or vit trash. Makes gearing a follower with different main stat a pain.Least if you want them to do any damage.


When I'm rolling around with friends that play int or dex classes I ask them for their crap jewelery or legendaries for my followers, and give them my str gear.
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Flex » Mon May 05, 2014 1:25 pm

Worldie wrote:I'm just getting at that frustrating point where i literally faceroll T2 (even killing some elites in 10ish seconds) but I don't have enough damage for T3. Torment scaling is a little too brutal ._.


I got a Gyrfalcon's Foote (Blessed Shield now has Zero cost) and a Jekangbord (Blessed Shield now ricochets to 4-6 additional targets) on my Crusader, went from T2 to T4 from those two items alone with a rather mediocre sheet DPS of 660,000. Toss in Ring of Royal Grandeur and getting bonuses from Aughild's Authority 97% ranged and melee damage reduction, 15% damage increase to elites and 15% elite damage reduction, and 4 piece Blackthorne's I can survive fairly well.

For the Crusader I'm in the area where everything will have to be better rolls of the current gear, I have a low damage Foote and only a 4 bounce Jekangbord, or set items to replace the crafted set items. Made a second crusader to play a 2H cool down style build and with all the hand-me-downs I was able to start on Torment 2.
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Sagara » Thu May 08, 2014 7:32 am

Welp, seems like I finally dropped out of RoS.
Partially because it got repetitive (no sh*t Sherlock?), and partially because I got a big itch to replay TSW :)
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Worldie » Thu May 08, 2014 3:19 pm

Flex wrote:I got a Gyrfalcon's Foote (Blessed Shield now has Zero cost) and a Jekangbord (Blessed Shield now ricochets to 4-6 additional targets) on my Crusader, went from T2 to T4 from those two items alone with a rather mediocre sheet DPS of 660,000.

Problem with the crusader is those 2 items are almost mandatory if you want to make it out of T2. Without you just don't have the damage.


I'm running 600kish DPS with +35% holy dmg and +31% elite damage, I melt through shit in T2, but in T3 I don't even have the damage to beat the enrage on big bosses.
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Re: Diablo 3 is live!

Postby Era » Fri May 09, 2014 3:31 am

For comparison, I'm at about 920k dps and 11m toughness and can do T3 just fine, still haven't gotten neither the flail nor the shield. :( T4 is too slow. I'm using a fire-based build, including the Maximus sword (extra fire damage, pluss that demon on a chain), and I swear the demon chain does even more damage than I do. >_> Tears through most things.

I mostly farmed T1 and T2 because of the higher speed, but bored out of my mind with the grind so decided to up it to T3. It's still fast, but if I get 2-3 of the wrong elite packs, I'm in trouble.

Anyone know if there's any specific place to farm for the flail/shield and/or the crusader set? I've got shoulders and chest down, but I'd love to get the rest of the set bonuses too...
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