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Re: League of Legends

Postby Arkesh » Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:45 pm

For the US it was, hasn't hit EUW yet. I think they're scared after the 12(?) hours of downtime and all the other issues, like god mode baron.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Aubade » Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:03 pm

Lol. still down

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Arkesh » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:46 am

I'm having way too much fun with the new ARAM map. Haven't had a ranked game since it came out, just been ARAMing and then playing the champs that were fun in normals. I suppose it's expanding my catalogue of champions that I can play.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Aubade » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:33 am

Jayce and riven are such pubstompers I actually get mad if I lose normals now O.o.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Arkesh » Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:12 pm

I've been playing some Olaf jungle recently with usually great results, I can shut down any lane that makes a mistake - usually. However I think I just had the worst team to play against. Malphite vs Malphite top lane, pointless trying to gank as he's too tanky and our one won't do enough damage. The enemy had bloody Kass middle, with his rift walk or whatever he is a giant pita to gank, forced him back to base a few times, no kills. Then even bottom lane was terrible for ganks, ez and nidalee, we caught nida out a couple times before 6 but after that it was hopeless. So I was left to just farm in the jungle and steal buffs. I have never had a match quite like that, I wish I had been Maokai or Nautilus.

I played jayce for the first time in an aram yesterday, he seemed really quite fun quite a lot of utility between his two stances.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:07 pm

*A nub approaches*

Ok... so I just downloaded LoL last night, and managed to survive my way through the tutorial. Ended up 4/3/2 with Ryze, which considering this is my first time really playing this style game, I'll take it as a win. Planning to play through the tutorial battle at least a couple more times (to try out Ashe and the melee guy) before doing any vs AI or PvP.

Anywho, started rereading this thread from the beginning in an attempt to learn things, but if anyone has some helpful hints for a newbie, I certainly wouldn't turn them down.

Oh, for anyone (US) that wants to add me: Xilrache (pretty sure that's how I spelled it, I'll double check when I get home tonight.)
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Donut » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:38 pm

A bit of advice to get you started:

-Stay away from the leagueoflegends.com forums for any how-to-play related advice, aside from the basics. It's a cesspool and It'll put you on the wrong path to understanding the game.

-Don't spend you ip (the currency you earn) until you are atleast level 20+, that's when you unlock the highest level of runes and this will help you avoid making early errors in judgement.

-as cool as a hero looks I would avoid buying it until it becomes free to play (they change what 10 heroes are free to play each week)

-The bot AI is decent if you've never played a dota style game before, but it should quickly become predictable and obsolete. I hear they get free items now to make them harder so I may be out of date on this. On top of that many people join those games and then afk in them so you dont really get that 5v5 experience.

Sites that help with the learning curve:

lolpro.com
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teamliquid.net - there's a league subforum
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:52 pm

Some questions:

What does it mean to "carry"?

What does it mean if you're "being fed"?

Are the vs AI only 5v5?
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Arkesh » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:05 pm

A carry is LoL's equivilant to a DPS, generally they play Attack Damage (eg Ashe) in bottom lane with a support, or in mid solo as an Ability Power champ (eg Ryze). Top lane usually is a bruiser (utility off-tanky person) or full blown tank, although up until level 20+ people don't tend to follow that meta mostly because junglers kinda suck without runes. So you'll usually get 2 going bot, 1 mid and 2 top as that's what the bots do.

If you're being fed, you're getting a lot of kills. If you're feeding then you're dying a lot.

The match making AI is only 5v5 you can arrange a custom game and go 1v1 with a bot, I did this when try out a champ but I'd recommend just playing a beginner bot game. The AI isn't hard and most people aren't expecting to you play like TheOddOne. You also have access to people who may be able to offer pointers.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:35 pm

Friend of mine might be joining as well, so was looking more for a 2v2 kind of thing (vs AI when with him, since he's not much for PvP in most games.) Yes, I realize it would be somewhat silly to join a PvP style game and try to avoid PvP, but if he gets interested enough through the vs AI, it should be easier to convince him to switch.

When purchasing items, it is best to wait for the suggested items to be available, or is it better to try and get the individual parts leading up to a particular one? Or should I be ignoring the suggestions altogether?

Also, for general tactics... is it better to try and clear the lanes evenly, or push through one lane after the first turret it down? I'm sure this might vary based on the opposing team, but as a whole, what do people aim for?
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Skye1013 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:42 pm

Confirmed. Summoner's name is Xilrache.

Username is the same as here.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby aureon » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:08 pm

Aubade wrote:Jayce and riven are such pubstompers I actually get mad if I lose normals now O.o.

wait for the MMR to raise and see Jayce getting rotflstomped.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Arkesh » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:44 pm

Skye1013 wrote:When purchasing items, it is best to wait for the suggested items to be available, or is it better to try and get the individual parts leading up to a particular one? Or should I be ignoring the suggestions altogether?

Also, for general tactics... is it better to try and clear the lanes evenly, or push through one lane after the first turret it down? I'm sure this might vary based on the opposing team, but as a whole, what do people aim for?


Item builds can be tricksy. I'm not sure about every suggested build I know some are/were way out of date. Generally I start boots + pots in any role unless I'm supporting. Then I'll usually grab 1/2 dorans blades/rings then I'll start working toward my first big item. For example if I was Ashe I'd try and go Boots + pots > 1/2 Dorans > BF Sword > Pickaxe - the BF Sword and Pickaxe being two of the components of Infinity Edge. For Ryze it might be more like Boots + pots > 1/2 Dorans > Needlessly Large Rod > Blasting Wand > Rabadon's Deathcap if I was going hard carry of if I wanted a more tanky build I'd work toward Catalyst of the Protecter then Rod of Ages. There's never really a clear cut build, it depends on not only the champion you're against in lane but also what roles the rest of your team are playing. Whilst I was starting out I generally followed the builds over at Solo Mid just because there's far too many different items to learn and then try and workout which work best with you champ.

That was maybe a little too much info, but I wanted to create an overview. TLDR version grab a dorans early if you can then starting working on the components of your big items.

For the first 15-20 mins (usually) the goal is to farm minions by last hitting (don't know if you're familiar with the concept, I'll go over it after this paragraph), get as much gold as possible and try to kill the other team if they step out of line and over commit. Whilst not dying in the process. Once you establish a lead then you try and push the lane to the enemy tower and whittle away it's health. Once the tower's dead you can try and help another lane kill their tower, but make sure you're not letting too many enemy minions die to your tower. Generally once the first tower dies it's not long until a teamfight occurs, after that depending on the outcome it's wise to try and kill the tower to which your minions are closest. Although if bot outer was down and mid and top still up I'd try and get the inner bot tower if we were reasonably close, otherwise it'd be either of the other two. You just want to kill a tower whilst most/all the enemy are dead the last thing you (normally) want to do is fight under an unfriendly tower. Inhibs are the real prize though, if you've got two towers in bot and top and only one left in mid, I'd try and go for that every time as once you have the tower down the only reason not to have another fight there is if you're low HP.

For last hitting (this is more for normal games but it's good to practise in bot matches) as the name implies you want to get the last hit so you get the gold. In a normal game you only want to wait until the minions take the health of each other down to the point where you can kill it in a single hit, you don't really want to auto attack as that will push the lane and leave you wide open for the jungler to come and gank you. The aim is to try and keep the minions in the middle or a tad closer to your tower but not in range of it. You can harass other players but try not to chase unless you're sure you'll win as an incoming wave of enemy minions can be dangerous at early levels.

If for example you win an early lane fight you'll want to try and push the wave to their turret so they lose more gold and experience, at this point you want to auto attack/use some abilities but you still want those last hits. Then once the wave is at the tower, find a safe place to recall and spend your winnings.

Sorry if this is more in depth than you wanted, but I just wish someone had sat me down and explained all of the above and more when I started. I think I had played about 40 games before I discovered what everyone meant by "red" and "blue" Derp Derp. (They're the colour of the buffs that you get from the Lizard Elder and Ancient Golems respectively. Red is a DoT that's applied on auto attacks that also has a slight slowing effect and Blue increases mana/energy regen and lowers Cooldowns)
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:05 pm

The tutorial covers "get last hits for gold" but doesn't really go into it much beyond that. I definitely will have to get out of the habit of chasing champs or pushing too early, though I did an AI custom game last night where I was actually ahead in levels from everyone else (on both teams) so I think I'm getting a little better about that (though we were losing horribly...)

Was looking through the various champions, and while I'm probably not in a position to start considering purchasing any (IP or knowledgewise)... what are people's thoughts on Wukong and Ziggs?

Also, other than spending IRL monies for them, is there any other way to obtain RP or will I forever have 400 that'll be just short of buying anything?

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Arkesh » Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:32 pm

I haven't played wukong at all and I only really play Ryze, Morgana and Galio AP, I tried ziggs and I didn't really get along with him, but that's my story with most APs except the above. I thought his Q was really hard to land and found his W mostly useless, some utility in a teamfight to get a champ away but it doesn't move them far and it's hard to send the in the right direction. But that's just my opinion I'd get someone who mains APs to weigh in.

I believe Riot occasionally gives out a little RP but the last time they did was before I started playing in Jan - or so I was told - more often than not you just a get a free IP boost (doubles IP on a win excluding the daily bonus). If you are going to buy champs for RP, I'd recommend just picking up ones that you've tried during their free weeks, actually I'd go with Donut and say the same for spending IP. Twice a week 3 champs go up on sale and have their RP cost halved but not their IP. I loved the idea of playing fiddlesticks until I actually tried him during a free week, since then I've been careful not to buy anything I haven't tried. My one regret is Lee Sin, I'm so hopeless at using him to his full potential.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:51 pm

I fully plan to try them out whenever they're free, but figured I'd get people's opinions of them. I like how they look, which is about the only thing weighing on my decisions right now.

Ryze is about the only guy I have any experience with atm (read: ~4 games.) I tried one of the other mages yesterday (has the slow/MR redux wall for W, name starts with a K I think?) He didn't really agree with me, but that could just be not really knowing how to play him. Was looking through some of the current freebies, Gargas looks interesting as does the gun chick (kinda steampunk looking one.)

Arkesh wrote:For Ryze it might be more like Boots + pots

The basic boots that just give +1 move? And I'm assuming you mean health pots? How does one use those (is there a shortcut command, or do I have to click it?)

Also, what are some summoner powers to avoid? I've read Smite is bad if you aren't jungling, but are there any others that are pretty situational?
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Dragondin » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:22 pm

I think you mean Karthus. In my opinion he needs a bit training to play him well. Especially good placement of his Wall can secure kills and is a requirement for playing him well.

Yes he means the +1 basic boots. Usually its a good idea to start with basic boots and 3 health pots, except supports, they often start with faerie charm, wards and a health pot. you can klick at the health pots to use them or use the shortcut keys 1 - 6, depending on the slot you place the health pots. with this shortcuts you can also place wards or use itme with active effects.

Its always a good idea to take flash as one of your summoners. There are some champions there you flash isnt needed, then you take ghost, but usually you take flash. if you dont have flash yet, i would say take ghost. the second summoner depends on your role. as ap mid you can take ignite, or sometimes teleport to help other lanes. dont take clarity. smite is for jungler. ad carries take heal, exhaust, ignite or sometimes cleanse and the support exhaust if the carrie dont have it, clairvoyance or heal. top can take teleport if they want to help other lanes or ignite. sometimes they take also exhaust, but if havent seen it often.
Revive, surge, promote and clarity are summoners you should avoid. the simple arent as good as the other.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:03 am

This might be a somewhat odd question, but do you ever start the game from the other side? Or is it always viewed based on starting from the bottom left? I mean, if it's the latter, then wouldn't top/mid/bot be relative?
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Dragondin » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:17 am

if you play against KI you always start at the blue (bottom left) side. in PvP matches one team starts at the blue and the other at the purple side. nevertheless mid/top/bot are always the same lane. if you look at the map it doenst matter from which side you start.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Skye1013 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:58 am

So.... I picked up Amumu since he's 50% off this week and I had 400 RP to blow...

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Gotta say... I'm enjoying him (this was my ~3rd game with him on 5v5 all bots but me.) Best game I've played so far, even if it was a loss. Even had a 9 kill streak.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Donut » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:11 am

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Re: League of Legends

Postby Donut » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:11 am

I'm noticing people giving much more specific advice than is neccesary. If you're just starting out then all you have to worry about is trying new heroes and getting good at two things: last hitting and positioning. Everything else you will learn as you progress into pvp games. That being said...

At lvl 5 you don't even have flash, which is the most important summoner spell, so just experiment with the rest. Probably avoid clarity, surge, promote, and revive, they dont see much play in Summoner's Rift. Once you hit 12 and get flash though, I would stick that in a slot and really get good with it because 97% of all champs carry it pretty much (with the exception of a few highly mobile jungles who need exhaust for gank pressure - getting ahead of myself here.)

They updated the recommended items a while back and now the suggestions are really good, so stick with them until you become familiar with the items and want to try out your own builds. There isn't really a downside to buying parts if you happen to be back at fountain so definately do that. The only major difference, as people have mentioned, is that the typical start is boots and 3 health potions into 1-2 of the appropriate doran's items, but after that the recommended items are pretty spot on.

What you might want to do before you play a champion, is to youtube "'champion name' spotlight", over half of them have official riot spotlights which will give you give you a decent idea as to the basics of their abilities and roles. The ones that don't typically have a spotlight from a number of other youtubers that make similar videos (including Ciderhelm from tankspot I believe).

There is a cool chrome extention that tracks live streams including tournaments. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/edidfaijmhpefkbnobdcepampbncgejp
MLG summer arena is going on Aug 3-5 <- worth watching imo.

Oh, and Zilean is free this week and one of my favorite mids.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Skye1013 » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:41 am

I <3 Caitlyn

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Played one PvP game as Amumu. Started out pretty good (first blood/double kill), but we were all just too noobish to successfully Team Fight (even at 5v4 in our favor.)

Still working on leveling, at 8 currently, so 4 more til Flash.
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Re: League of Legends

Postby Skye1013 » Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:00 pm

Donut wrote:I'm noticing people giving much more specific advice than is neccesary. If you're just starting out then all you have to worry about is trying new heroes and getting good at two things: last hitting and positioning. Everything else you will learn as you progress into pvp games. That being said...

I don't mind the specific advice, as it will come into play eventually, and if I learn to do things "correctly" from the get go, I won't have to break bad habits down the line.

That being said, is mobafire a good site for their guides? I've used it for both Amumu and Caitlyn, with decent results (Amumu would probably be better if I knew how to properly Jungle) but wondered if there are better ones out there.
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Re: League of Legends

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http://www.lolpro.com/ is the one i use (well used)
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