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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Fivelives » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:22 pm

Gracerath wrote:There is a big chunk of time when Shepard and Anderson are having a chat at the end and it isn't too much of a stretch to think that they got picked up sometime during that but people couldn't just come to that conclusion on their own for some strange reason so Bioware made it quite clear, even if it involved a 5 second trip from orbit down to their exact location right in front of a giant Reaper pooping laser beams of doom all over the place.

Except that you only get that chat if you do everything exactly right. That's the "extended" ending - and in order to get it, you have to have done every paragon/renegade option with TIM through the entire game.

Unless you're talking about TIM's scene?
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Passionario » Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:14 am

aureon wrote:Reality is: Hammer is down there BECAUSE we can't drop off near the beam.
If we can drop off AND take off near the beam, the whole thing becomes kind of retarded.


The way I see it, now that the Hammer is down there in force, it provides sufficient distraction to allow a single cloaked ship to approach from a distance, do a quick pickup, and dash away. Presumably, Harbinger did not fire at the fleeing Normandy because he's too busy incinerating Krogan heavy cavalry that was charging directly at the Citadel beam from another direction. :)

Supporting argument: you only get the pickup scene if your EMS rating is high enough (i.e., if Hammer provides enough distraction). Otherwise, it's molten metal death for your teammates.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Gracerath » Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:25 am

Fivelives wrote:
Gracerath wrote:There is a big chunk of time when Shepard and Anderson are having a chat at the end and it isn't too much of a stretch to think that they got picked up sometime during that but people couldn't just come to that conclusion on their own for some strange reason so Bioware made it quite clear, even if it involved a 5 second trip from orbit down to their exact location right in front of a giant Reaper pooping laser beams of doom all over the place.

Except that you only get that chat if you do everything exactly right. That's the "extended" ending - and in order to get it, you have to have done every paragon/renegade option with TIM through the entire game.

Unless you're talking about TIM's scene?


Well, there is the part where Shep and Anderson are talking to eachother over the radio or whatever as they are both trying to head towards the central chamber (slowly, I might add) and then yeah, I guess the part where you are both talking to TIM. I'm not sure if I managed to do every paragon option with TIM through the whole game. I think I missed the very first one on Mars but I can't remember. At any rate, enough time spent there that other stuff could have been happening elsewhere, such as a pickup.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Flex » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:46 am

Passionario wrote:
aureon wrote:Reality is: Hammer is down there BECAUSE we can't drop off near the beam.
If we can drop off AND take off near the beam, the whole thing becomes kind of retarded.


The way I see it, now that the Hammer is down there in force, it provides sufficient distraction to allow a single cloaked ship to approach from a distance, do a quick pickup, and dash away.


Except that multiple Makos come in and circle the extraction point. Previously we saw Harbinger had no problem smiting a single Mako that was moving, so a few of them not moving would make a nice big juicy target.

It's the worst and Bioware should feel bad for adding it.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Arnock » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:01 pm

Yeah, I read back through the thread after making my post, my game was saved just before Marauder Shields made his heroic last efforts to protect me from the ending, so I didn't see any more of the additional content.


I'm going to have to replay back through ME3 eventually, I guess this is as good of an excuse as any.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby culhag » Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:16 am

Sorry, I haven't been following this thread, but I just came here to say that the extended cut is bad bad bad. :evil:
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Snake-Aes » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:19 pm

I liked the endings, contrary to apparently most. The convos with the Catalyst were "not in character", and the explanations afterwards are waaaay vague.
But they don't detract from the ending enough for me to dislike the endings.

Fun fact: I got ME1 in November together with my xbox. It was pretty much the first game I picked up for a console ever since Xenogears and Parasite Eve 2 (heh, been a while)
I fell in love. Hard. "play through every possibility twice on insanity" hard.
Then in February I got ME2. Bam.
Pre-ordered 3. Baaaaam.
Never played ME2 or ME3 in any difficulty other than "insane". Fun times.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:39 pm

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Snake-Aes » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:49 pm

Klaudandus wrote:^
w00t, xenogears!

My fist is the divine breath! Blossom, o fallen seed, and draw upon thy hidden powers!! Grant unto thee the power of the glorious 'Mother of Destruction'!

Sorry, threadjack over. I just don't know many Xenosaga/Xenogears fans =P

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:57 pm

I still play Xenogears from start to finish at least once a year. =P

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Fivelives » Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:56 pm

Good! I hated that puffy pink bastard and her constant mission to tell the laws of physics to kindly go screw themselves (yes, I still play Xenogears, it's my go-to game whenever I'm bored and nothing in my growing backlog seems interesting).

Xenosaga on the other hand, isn't a game. It's a movie that I watch where I maneuver the characters from scene to scene.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby culhag » Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:06 am

Snake-Aes wrote:I liked the endings, contrary to apparently most. The convos with the Catalyst were "not in character", and the explanations afterwards are waaaay vague.
But they don't detract from the ending enough for me to dislike the endings.

I wasn't really bothered by the original, but the new ending completely destroys the pacing.
The grand speech Shep gives after the end was ridiculous, boring, and tried to justify my actions a posteriori without me having any say. She was all like "I always knew I'd have to control them..." when 15 minutes before I was telling TIM that he was crazy for thinking that.

Never played ME2 or ME3 in any difficulty other than "insane". Fun times.

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:29 am

Fivelives wrote:Good! I hated that puffy pink bastard and her constant mission to tell the laws of physics to kindly go screw themselves (yes, I still play Xenogears, it's my go-to game whenever I'm bored and nothing in my growing backlog seems interesting).

Xenosaga on the other hand, isn't a game. It's a movie that I watch where I maneuver the characters from scene to scene.


Some guy actually spliced together just about every cutscene for all 3 games, I think the result, just for Xenosaga 3 was a 9 hr movie.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Fivelives » Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:48 pm

http://www.amazon.com/Xenosaga-Limited- ... B000F3WJ38

Edit: actually, scratch that. Namco released a DVD version of all of the cutscenes as a bonus DVD packed in with Xenosaga Episode III: Also Sprach Zarathustra. They re-released it after it proved wildly popular in Japan.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Treck » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:25 am

I recently had time to finish ME3 again with the DLC, and I really liked it.
The extra bits they put in really works for it imo, and I liked the fact that they didnt really change anything, just added more info.
But I never really accepted the old ending as an ending, after I finished it the first time I sorta just took that as work in progress (and screw all the indoctrination theories). So I didnt really care that it was different.
Ive also had like 8 complete playthroughs now, so I feel that what actually happends doesnt really matter, but the options possible feel more interesting to me.

The "new" ending still left a few questions imo, altho none of them answers would make any difference :P
All in all I feel its a big shame it wasnt released this way, I think everyone would talk about ME3 a lot different.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Arkesh » Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:37 pm

I'm a bit behind the times with this, I bought the original Mass Effect a month or two after it released for the PC, but never got much further than halfway through before it started crashing over and over and I subsequently lost interest. Now that I have 5 free days a week I decided I'd pick it up again. I completed it in 2 sittings - though I did kinda skip over a lot of side quests mostly because the main story is constantly telling you to "hurry cause everyone will die if you don't do this mission yesterday" - I think I'll replay it after I've done ME3.

ME2 so far has been great, just the change of pace from "hurry" to "do it if you want" is brilliant. I'm taking my time and speaking to everyone and having a blast just completely immersing myself in this universe. I love how characters that I helped in the first game pop up when you least expect it and thank you for whatever.

I think as far as RPGs go this series will knock TES off the top spot IMO, mostly because they voiced your character. Sure it's easier when there's only 2 combinations rather than 20 but I think by the time TES:VI rolls round they will have to address the issue. As the data size argument can't really hold any weight these days, the only thing that could is cost.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby sahiel » Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:07 am

I too found I often felt the need to avoid frivolous side quests, "Find your lost puppy? DUDE! I'm trying to save the damn galaxy here!" Which I think is a sign of the mostly excellent writing, they managed to get me so into the story I'm 100% feeling the urgency rather than taking in all the content I can. I made sure to do all of them across my three playthroughs in the end, but it took that many times before I did it all.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Arkesh » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:12 am

Just finished ME2 last night, zomg the last hour had me on the edge of my seat at every cutscene just praying Tali, Garrus and myself would be ok. About to plunge into ME3, can't wait.

Just imported my character and they changed the hair colour, I can't be a ginger headed hero anymore I can either go with the blonde colour they gave me or I can go with what is definitely a hair dye colour. The first line of dialogue better not be "Oh, Shepard you've dyed your hair, it suits you!" -.-
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:36 am

Arkesh wrote:Just finished ME2 last night, zomg the last hour had me on the edge of my seat at every cutscene just praying Tali, Garrus and myself would be ok. About to plunge into ME3, can't wait.

Just imported my character and they changed the hair colour, I can't be a ginger headed hero anymore I can either go with the blonde colour they gave me or I can go with what is definitely a hair dye colour. The first line of dialogue better not be "Oh, Shepard you've dyed your hair, it suits you!" -.-


I just went with default appearance for femshep. ME3's default femshep is pretty hot.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:09 pm

Not sure how I feel about the Leviathan DLC... It looks really cool, but...
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Torquemada » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:02 pm

Does it take place before or after the events of the Indoctrination dream sequence?
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:05 pm

I believe its supposed to take place before the assault on the cerberus base
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Fivelives » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:25 am

The Cerberus base assault is the point of no return, so all DLC would have to start before that.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Torquemada » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:27 am

I understand, and was merely interjecting the point that I don't give a good goddamn what they said in the extended cut, it's was like that movie between Star Trek IV and Star Trek VI. It didn't happen.

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Klaudandus » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:32 pm

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