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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:01 am
by ulushnar
Dorvan wrote:
Still they're a lot of fun, and Bioware seem incapable of writing a bad story for any game they make. I especially reccomend spending some time chatting to HK-47 in KotOR 1.


Of course, for lots of us the more RPGish nature of Bioware's other games isn't a detractor, it's a feature!


I agree, but I think if you're attracted to the action aspect of ME2, then KotoR in particular might feel a little clunkier. I don't know why I included DA:O in that, since it's more akin to WoW, with weapons having swing times and abilities having cooldowns and costs. Put that down to a lack of caffeine at whatever time I wrote that.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:03 am
by Vanifae
Yeah I love the action aspect but I have a friend that preferred the slower combat style of the first game, she isn;t really good at action games I guess. But me I love the style in ME2.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:15 am
by Arnock
I personally haven't played any of the mass effect games.

How exactly do they pull off the 'rpg/shooter,' out of curiosity.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:34 am
by ulushnar
ME2 does it really well. The action sequences are basically a third-person cover-based shooter with two AI squadmates. On the 360 version, you can give the squad movement orders via the d-Pad or use the shoulder buttons to use powers or assign weapons. Their AI's pretty decent even without you doing that though.

The RPG elements are handled cut scenes with full spoken dialogue (including the main character) and the ability to pick different dialogue options depending on moral choices or whatever seems funny at a given time. You even get the opportunity via an in-cut-scene prompt to peform interrupts with a Renegade or Paragon moral bent.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:46 am
by Passionario
OK, you've finally convinced me to try it out. :)

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:46 pm
by Io.Draco
There is one thing I would like to add to this thread.

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Enjoy.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:57 am
by Passionario
ulushnar wrote:Have to say, I was disappointed with the big bad at the end. The bad guys this time around really lacked a "Saren", for want of a better word; a true nemesis for Shepard rather than a bunch of remote control grunts.


One could argue that the true nemesis of Shepard in ME2 is the Illusive Man.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:25 am
by Arcand
Passionario wrote:
ulushnar wrote:Have to say, I was disappointed with the big bad at the end. The bad guys this time around really lacked a "Saren", for want of a better word; a true nemesis for Shepard rather than a bunch of remote control grunts.


One could argue that the true nemesis of Shepard in ME2 is the Illusive Man.


I gave him the station. Won't be a bit surprised if I end up having to put a bullet in his non-virtual head in ME3.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:13 pm
by Io.Draco
Passionario wrote:
ulushnar wrote:Have to say, I was disappointed with the big bad at the end. The bad guys this time around really lacked a "Saren", for want of a better word; a true nemesis for Shepard rather than a bunch of remote control grunts.


One could argue that the true nemesis of Shepard in ME2 is the Illusive Man.


That's a point of a view from an ignorant Paragon.

Seriously he brings you back from the dead, gives you a ship with a full crew, gives you free reign over the Lazarus Cell and the mission and in return he only asks you to give him the Collector Base.

Sounds fair enough to me.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:11 pm
by Aelissa
Io.Draco wrote:Seriously he brings you back from the dead, gives you a ship with a full crew, gives you free reign over the Lazarus Cell and the mission and in return he only asks you to give him the Collector Base.

Sounds fair enough to me.


He also throws Miranda "I'm Shepard's second in command" Lawson into the deal though. And for this, he deserves to die. Painfully.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:23 pm
by Vanifae
I blew up the station, you can't trust Reaper technology.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:32 pm
by Arcand
Vanifae wrote:I blew up the station, you can't trust Reaper technology.


EDI's delivering so far. Her overlord joke during the Collector attack was 24-carat gold.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:33 pm
by Vanifae
Arcand wrote:
Vanifae wrote:I blew up the station, you can't trust Reaper technology.


EDI's delivering so far. Her overlord joke during the Collector attack was 24-carat gold.

True but I hate Cerberus and the The Illusive Man is just a bad bad dude, who has only his best interests at heart.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:43 pm
by Arcand
Vanifae wrote:True but I hate Cerberus and the The Illusive Man is just a bad bad dude, who has only his best interests at heart.


Eh. With luck I'll get a few cool tech toys out of the captured station, and if TIM wants to join the thousands of others who thought they could fuck with Athena Shepard... :twisted:

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:46 pm
by Vanifae
I hear yah there.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:49 pm
by Aelissa
There is no question about whether TIM is evil or not. He smokes, so he must be evil. If you handed him the station he would probably turn it into a giant cigarette factory, so you clearly have to destroy it.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:54 pm
by Arcand
Aelissa wrote:There is no question about whether TIM is evil or not. He smokes, so he must be evil. If you handed him the station he would probably turn it into a giant cigarette factory, so you clearly have to destroy it.


He cannot possibly be evil. He has no goatee.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:06 pm
by Gracerath
Io.Draco wrote:
Passionario wrote:
ulushnar wrote:Have to say, I was disappointed with the big bad at the end. The bad guys this time around really lacked a "Saren", for want of a better word; a true nemesis for Shepard rather than a bunch of remote control grunts.


One could argue that the true nemesis of Shepard in ME2 is the Illusive Man.


That's a point of a view from an ignorant Paragon.

Seriously he brings you back from the dead, gives you a ship with a full crew, gives you free reign over the Lazarus Cell and the mission and in return he only asks you to give him the Collector Base.

Sounds fair enough to me.


Even though its the paragon option, it seems more renegade to me. Not in the scope of being "bad/selfish" but in the scope of going against the expected for the nature you're trying to role play in game. After all those favors The Illusive Man did for you, you'd think you WOULD be grateful and do a small favor for him but instead you tell him to fuck off. I did the Illusive Man a solid by saving the galaxy (and assuredly will do so again in ME3, thus allowing him to continue to exist), he doesn't need anything more from me.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:30 pm
by Vanifae
To be honest i could have cared less I was too busy boning Tali.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:26 am
by Passionario
Saren and TIM were working for the same goal: to save their kind from genocide by getting into bed with the Reapers.
The only difference between them was, to borrow a phrase from Start of Darkness, that Saren was willing to be the Bitch, while TIM insisted on being the Butch.

Io.Draco wrote:That's a point of a view from an ignorant Paragon.

Seriously he brings you back from the dead, gives you a ship with a full crew, gives you free reign over the Lazarus Cell and the mission and in return he only asks you to give him the Collector Base.

Sounds fair enough to me.


Look at it this way: if the Lich King raised your fallen hero from dead, gave you a personal mini-necropolis, bound a crew of other undead ex-heroes into your servitude and, in return, asked you to go to Ulduar to enslave Yogg-Saron into the Scourge's service... would you do it, if you had another option?

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:30 am
by Folstar
I still don't get who wouldn't care about boobs...

Also, why is Obama's meaner looking brother in this game?

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:06 am
by Lumennon
Io.Draco wrote:There is one thing I would like to add to this thread.

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Enjoy.

So do I.

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:22 am
by Passionario
On a totally unrelated note, I'm now officially addicted to Biotic Charge.

Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:46 am
by Njall
Or, of course, this.

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:12 pm
by Arcand
Passionario wrote:Saren and TIM were working for the same goal: to save their kind from genocide by getting into bed with the Reapers.


Saren seemed willing to watch the galaxy burn, as long as he personally survived. When he appealed to me and my team to join him, I considered it desperate improvisation rather than concern for my welfare.

TIM appears determined to destroy the greatest enemy of the human race, which puts him on my team for the moment. He quite possibly wants to save humanity just so he can rule us all, but I'll worry about that after the last Reaper hits the floor. When it comes to nemesis triage, you deal with the exterminators first, then the tyrants. :)

(I'll be pretty astonished if he hasn't installed some kind of killswitch during the Lazarus process, but nevertheless I am determined that if Shepard doesn't like where TIM's taking her species, she will find a way to screw him over.)