Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Fivelives » Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:45 am

The extended cut DLC is dropping this coming Tuesday. Interesting note: they released an audio interview where they backed off on their "artistic integrity" stance and described themselves as entertainers, not artists. I guess if fans are still flabbergasted after the 1.9 gigabyte extended cut DLC, they've at least got some wiggle room to change the actual ending now.

Here's the link: http://blog.bioware.com/2012/06/22/mass ... ded-cut-2/
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Passionario » Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:38 am

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby aureon » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:27 am

Fivelives wrote:The extended cut DLC is dropping this coming Tuesday. Interesting note: they released an audio interview where they backed off on their "artistic integrity" stance and described themselves as entertainers, not artists. I guess if fans are still flabbergasted after the 1.9 gigabyte extended cut DLC, they've at least got some wiggle room to change the actual ending now.

Here's the link: http://blog.bioware.com/2012/06/22/mass ... ded-cut-2/

Thing is, a game requires both art and work. You can't throw three knives on a painting and call it a day.
The underlying story and form of expression requires a proper medium.
The medium lacked. There's no artistic integrity to defend. We can defend the use of MarySue and all, but NOT the way the ending is presented.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Skye1013 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:22 pm

aureon wrote:You can't throw three knives on a painting and call it a day.

I have no idea what this means, but the imagery I'm getting of dunking throwing knives in paint, and tossing them at a canvas is quite amusing.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Fivelives » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:19 pm

Skye1013 wrote:
aureon wrote:You can't throw three knives on a painting and call it a day.

I have no idea what this means, but the imagery I'm getting of dunking throwing knives in paint, and tossing them at a canvas is quite amusing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... h-60k.html

That sold for 60,000 pounds (roughly what, close to 80k USD?)

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^ That one sold for $9.26 million.

Try the three knives on a painting idea, you might get insanely rich off of it.

That said, I don't think that "art" - at least not the high arts that we think of as such (painting, poetry, literature, theater) are, or should be interactive. As far as video games as art? Yes. A thousand times, yes. BUT, they are their own kind of art - interactive and malleable.

To digress even further - back during the renaissance, in Europe, an artist was considered a craftsman just like a cabinet maker or tailor. Art was collaborative, between the commissioned artist and the patron that commissioned the piece. I don't think that's changed all that much since then; we still commission artistic works from people, but somehow artistic license* has come to be something like artistic prerogative. In other words, artists expect us to pay for their art, regardless of whether or not it's any good.

Now that the technology is there, is collaboration between the players and the developers such a bad thing? Personally, I don't think so.

*side note: "artistic license" came about during the realist painting era when portraiturists would endeavor to make enough small changes that an unattractive patron would look good. It's also the genesis of the term "to make someone look good"
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby aureon » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:37 am

a guy named Fontana did it in italy, and got rich already.
Thing is, when you're making nonconventional art, you can't pretend to sell it well.
You sell it well when you make it to the requests of the customers.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:33 am

aureon wrote:a guy named Fontana did it in italy, and got rich already.
Thing is, when you're making nonconventional art, you can't pretend to sell it well.
You sell it well when you make it to the requests of the customers.


Yeah, the moment the first thing you read after the credit is "Buy more DLC" the moment the argument about it being art falls flat. Bioware made it a product, and made us a customer along with it as well.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby aureon » Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:50 am

Thing is, it can be both popular and art.
No one is arguing that Pink Floyd's music, or the Mona Lisa wasn't either.
But when you're making out-of-the-box art, you can't EXPECT it to pay your bills, and you can't EXPECT everyone to like it.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:21 am

There was this podcast that made a really good argument on why, as a customer, you had every right to complain about me3, and the gaming media missing the point entirely on the nature of the complaints.

It was in the guardian tank, but can remember which episode
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Passionario » Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:25 am

Oh my. Apparently, they have actually added at least one new ending.

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Torquemada » Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:11 am

Apparently whoever said it would be available for download at 2 AM was full of crap.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Passionario » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:09 am

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:37 am

Passionario wrote:Oh my. Apparently, they have actually added at least one new ending.

<HIGHLIGHTABLE SPOILERS>



Wow... talk about a Take That to the fans.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Sagara » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:48 am

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:51 am

I don't think I'd like to step in there, even with with a jockstrap made out of lead equipped.

Actually, I haven't even been there since the whole Hamburger Helper thing.
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