Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby mew » Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:25 pm

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I guess I missed the part where the Blue Suns were worse than any of the other mercenary groups we've torn a hole through. Will they suddenly become the Eridani Light Horse* if we free them from Vido's evil influence, or something? :)


Not the point of why you should kill Vido.........

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But removing the man in charge does score a serious hit against them.


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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Njall » Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:30 pm

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Minnerva » Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:36 pm

Njall wrote:Boo! Go for the eyes, Boo! RAUS!!!!!

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Arcand » Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:54 pm

Njall wrote:Depends on the unit. Kill off Wolf and the Wolf's Dragoons are in trouble. He's pretty much indispensable.


I won't dispute this particular example because I haven't read any of the Black Widow fiction, maybe they really do function that way...but it makes no sense to me for a unit that folds up without one of its members to survive, succeed or become renowned/feared/respected. Jaime has radio trouble, or gets an antenna busted off, or gets hurt, or the enemy turns on their radio jammers, and suddenly the Dragoons turn into an anarchic street gang??

Even my army reserve unit, which is not an elite battle-hardened organization at all, knows exactly what to do without the old man's leadership. We have it hammered into us that we must know not only how to take over our boss's job at any moment, but HIS boss's job too. (Good thing too, 'cause our shiny new radios are colossal Ps of S.) If you're a mercenary unit in a pretty dangerous galaxy and you've been doing it for two decades, I'm thinking you can absorb the loss of a leader and barely blink. You'll miss his skills but if he was a halfway competent leader, he will have prepared the team to go on without him.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Vanifae » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:12 pm

I eat Reapers for lunch.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Arcand » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:31 pm

Are those reapers of yours circular, served hot, with rows of square depressions on both sides of them? Covered with butter and syrup?

If so, we've been over this - those aren't Reapers.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Njall » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:47 pm

Arcand wrote:
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Even my army reserve unit, which is not an elite battle-hardened organization at all, knows exactly what to do without the old man's leadership.


There is a great difference between mercenaries and soldiers, particuarly in this era of nationalism. Reading up on the condottiero of Renaissance Italy and how they would behave with the rise and fall of their leaders is fascinating reading!
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Vanifae » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:50 pm

Arcand wrote:Are those reapers of yours circular, served hot, with rows of square depressions on both sides of them? Covered with butter and syrup?

If so, we've been over this - those aren't Reapers.

You butter us because we allow it.

You will consume us, because we demand it.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Io.Draco » Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:49 am

We have it hammered into us that we must know not only how to take over our boss's job at any moment, but HIS boss's job too


Your professional soldiers, not mercenaries. Totally different situations. The question is not if the Blue Suns could continue their operations without Vido, the question is if they would fall in line behind Vido's second in command ( the batarian ) without a hitch.

I have serious doubts without that, even more so after the events on a certain ship you capture from the Suns.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Passionario » Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:34 am

After reviewing the Paragon/Renegade choices I've made during loyalty missions, I've noticed a certain pattern. When dealing with an adversary, I tend to pick the Paragon option - unless he betrayed my teammate, in which case said adversary gets sent directly to the 9th circle of Hell.

That's why Maelon, Aresh, Talid and millions of geth heretics got to live, while Vido, Niket and Sidonis didn't.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Arcand » Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:12 am

Passionario wrote:After reviewing the Paragon/Renegade choices I've made during loyalty missions, I've noticed a certain pattern. When dealing with an adversary, I tend to pick the Paragon option - unless he betrayed my teammate, in which case said adversary gets sent directly to the 9th circle of Hell.

That's why Maelon, Aresh, Talid and millions of geth heretics got to live, while Vido, Niket and Sidonis didn't.


I think it would be really, really interesting if you could export a list of all your choices to look at and compare with other peoples', either individually or en masse.

I can't remember if I spared Maelon...guess I could go to Omega and see if he's there.
I let Jack kill Aresh because that's the only way to stop him from rebooting Camp Hell. I wish I could have intimidated him out of it or something.
I stopped Kolyat from killing Talid, but I may have whacked Talid myself - again I don't remember.
Destroyed the heretics.
Vido got the ambiguous possible-death-in-crashing-shuttle.
I let Miranda kill Niket.
I helped Garrus kill Sidonis.

Apparently my Shep's pretty kill-y.
Betrayed anyone: Kill.
Enslaved or coerced anyone: Kill.
Deliberate harm to innocents: Kill.
Collateral harm to innocents: Punish.
Helped the Reapers/Collectors: Kill.
Teammate wants them dead: Kill, usually.
Was coerced into doing bad stuff: Depends how the actor makes the case. I killed the Asari girl who had just joined the mercenaries (in Thane's storyline, IIRC) which I admit was awful cold.
Inept doofus in over his head: Spank and release.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Levantine » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:26 am

/target Thread
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So did anyone else have stupid ass problems importing their save files? I can import my shitty ass level 37 one, but not my not terrible 53 one. Halp?

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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Vanifae » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:30 am

Levantine wrote:/target Thread
/cast Necromancy

So did anyone else have stupid ass problems importing their save files? I can import my shitty ass level 37 one, but not my not terrible 53 one. Halp?

(xbawks, btw)

Did you beat the game with your 53?

I didn't have any problems at all myself.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Levantine » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:32 am

Yeah, I beat the game. Saved the council and spanked Saren and Sovereign around a bit for good measure. Am mighty pissed by this. :/
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Vanifae » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:34 am

Levantine wrote:Yeah, I beat the game. Saved the council and spanked Saren and Sovereign around a bit for good measure. Am mighty pissed by this. :/

Hrrm are they both under the same profile and on the same storage device? Because it should work does it do anything or does the save file just not show up?
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Levantine » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:39 am

They both show up, but only the 37 file is apparently eligible. The 53 file is oranged out. T.T
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Vanifae » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:41 am

I don't know then you can check the BioWare site, maybe somehow that file got corrupted, have you tried loading up ME1 and just beating the end on the 53 and seeing what happens?
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Levantine » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:43 am

Yeah, I tried that as well cause I thought maybe it just didn't save properly. Now I have two ineligible 53 saves. x.x

Apparently this happens to some people's saves. It's supposed to do with changing gamertags though, which hasn't happened. Especially when you consider that my first ME2 play through was before my first ME1 play through.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Vanifae » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:44 am

Levantine wrote:Yeah, I tried that as well cause I thought maybe it just didn't save properly. Now I have two ineligible 53 saves. x.x

Apparently this happens to some people's saves. It's supposed to do with changing gamertags though, which hasn't happened. Especially when you consider that my first ME2 play through was before my first ME1 play through.

Then yeah check out the BioWare site or level another Shepard :(
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Levantine » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:47 am

FUCKING NOT HAPPY.

UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. I might end up just importing my old 37 one if that's the case. I didn't get to save Wrex like I wanted to, but all the other decisions were the same. :/ Less of a head start though.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby ulushnar » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:36 am

Try firing up your last lvl 53 autosave, spanking saren again and see if that helps?
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Gracerath » Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:49 am

Anyone play through the DLC with the newest character, Kasumi?

It was a painfully short but fun mission, especially at the beginning. She has some neat abilities that will probably be useful during a second play through. Now that I'm beyond the Omega-4 mission with nothing left to do.. she seems kinda moot.

I checked my paragon and I'm at max, Miranda still wont let me patch stuff up with her. The option is greyed out. Probably cause I'm already hooked up with Jack and once you do the deed, you're locked in. So Miranda is the only one not loyal but I managed to get her to survive the final mission. I still have everyone. ME3 should be fun, assuming I can locate my save files to get them onto my hard drive. I bought the game through Steam and looking through all the different folders, I'll be damned if I can find them.

EDIT: I think I found it. Hurray. In a completely different area than the actual game itself.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Brutalicus » Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:59 pm

I started my third playthrough (well, first, since I just got my own console and copy of the game) to coincide with Kasumi's Stolen Memory coming out and I must say, she kicks some serious ass throughout the whole game.

If you look at the DLC in a vacuum, yes it probably isn't worth your $6 or whatever. But you have to think of it like this: this is probably the strongest squadmate in the game (to my experience), the best SMG, and a large amount of funny comments by Kasumi when you go visit her after each mission. Bonus: she adds to Tali's overpowering cuteness with one of her comments. I talked to her after every mission for the majority of the game and she had something new and lol-inducing to say, and I used her the entire game. Totally worth the price of the DLC, if you get her early on and use her as a squadmate instead of just doing her mission and forgetting about her.
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Arcand » Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:04 pm

Brutalicus wrote:I started my third playthrough (well, first, since I just got my own console and copy of the game) to coincide with Kasumi's Stolen Memory coming out and I must say, she kicks some serious ass throughout the whole game.

If you look at the DLC in a vacuum, yes it probably isn't worth your $6 or whatever. But you have to think of it like this: this is probably the strongest squadmate in the game (to my experience), the best SMG, and a large amount of funny comments by Kasumi when you go visit her after each mission. Bonus: she adds to Tali's overpowering cuteness with one of her comments. I talked to her after every mission for the majority of the game and she had something new and lol-inducing to say, and I used her the entire game. Totally worth the price of the DLC, if you get her early on and use her as a squadmate instead of just doing her mission and forgetting about her.


Intriguing. I'll definitely get her for my second playthrough, then.

If you play through again with Zaeed, does he do anything cool? I've only seen him in post-Omega3 mode, where his interaction went something like...

[Click armor] "I wore that in the bug wars. We killed bugs with our bare hands. It was hard."
[Click medal] "That's an award I got for my hardness."
[Click picture] "That's a picture of something hard. I'm harder than that, of course."
[Click food tray] "One time I was on Sullust, and my plastic spoon broke, and I had to eat my applesauce with a fork. It was hard."
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Re: Mass Effect - Best RPG series of all time?

Postby Brutalicus » Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:08 pm

I always loved Zaeed for his hilarious comments, which paint him as a Saurfangesque badass. I never used him past his loyalty mission though, as I usually went straight up Tali + whoever's loyalty mission it was.

In my latest playthrough, though, I did discover that Zaeed gives you different comments if you talk to him between missions, just like Kasumi does. So he is a bit more interesting than I initially thought.
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