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Upgrade or just buy a new PC

Postby Fetzie » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:27 am

I think my computer is starting to show its age, but the big question is whether to upgrade bits and pieces or just to splash out on a new computer altogether.

The vital statistics:
Mother board: ASUS P5Q SE2
Processor: Intel Core2duo E8400 @2x3.00 GHz
Graphics: NVidia Geforce 9800 GTX+ (512 MB)
RAM: 2x1 GB DDR2
harddisk: 300 GB 7200 RPM
PSU: 500W or 550W, not sure of the brand anymore
Optical drive: DVD Rewritable

budget would be 500-800 euros (which would be about 700-1000 US dollars)

If I were to buy a new PC, which parts could I feasibly salvage to lower the cost?

things to upgrade would probably be the RAM and the graphics card right? How much would the CPU bottleneck a DX11 capable graphics card (I was thinking maybe a 460 or a 470)

I bought it about 3 years ago
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Re: Upgrade or just buy a new PC

Postby Levantine » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:14 am

Depending on the PSU you might be able to salvage it. Otherwise you're looking at an entirely new PC, sorry to say.
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Re: Upgrade or just buy a new PC

Postby Fetzie » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:36 am

What kind of PC can I expect to get for that budget? I would like it to be able to run most modern games at fairly high settings.
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Re: Upgrade or just buy a new PC

Postby gibborim » Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:16 am

Pyrea wrote:I think my computer is starting to show its age, but the big question is whether to upgrade bits and pieces or just to splash out on a new computer altogether.

The vital statistics:
Mother board: ASUS P5Q SE2
Processor: Intel Core2duo E8400 @2x3.00 GHz
Graphics: NVidia Geforce 9800 GTX+ (512 MB)
RAM: 2x1 GB DDR2
harddisk: 300 GB 7200 RPM
PSU: 500W or 550W, not sure of the brand anymore
Optical drive: DVD Rewritable

budget would be 500-800 euros (which would be about 700-1000 US dollars)

If I were to buy a new PC, which parts could I feasibly salvage to lower the cost?

things to upgrade would probably be the RAM and the graphics card right? How much would the CPU bottleneck a DX11 capable graphics card (I was thinking maybe a 460 or a 470)


You are not yet in dire straights with the CPU, but it is getting on a bit in age and the constant changing of chip sockets by Intel makes simple upgrading impractical.

You will get most of your returns out of the graphics card upgrade and it looks like your board should be compatible.

If you want to upgrade the whole package, the i5-2500 or i7-2600 are reasonably priced and very competitive with CPUs that cost 2-3 times as much.
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Re: Upgrade or just buy a new PC

Postby OhpUldum » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:00 am

Pyrea wrote:I think my computer is starting to show its age, but the big question is whether to upgrade bits and pieces or just to splash out on a new computer altogether.

The vital statistics:
Mother board: ASUS P5Q SE2
Processor: Intel Core2duo E8400 @2x3.00 GHz
Graphics: NVidia Geforce 9800 GTX+ (512 MB)
RAM: 2x1 GB DDR2
harddisk: 300 GB 7200 RPM
PSU: 500W or 550W, not sure of the brand anymore
Optical drive: DVD Rewritable

budget would be 500-800 euros (which would be about 700-1000 US dollars)

If I were to buy a new PC, which parts could I feasibly salvage to lower the cost?

things to upgrade would probably be the RAM and the graphics card right? How much would the CPU bottleneck a DX11 capable graphics card (I was thinking maybe a 460 or a 470)

I bought it about 3 years ago


At this point you can reuse the hard drive, PSU, optical drive, and graphics card. Or you can do as others suggest and purchase a whole new system out right. The 9800GTX is more than good enough for world of warcraft but if you want to be playing Battlefield 3 or Skyrim on high settings you're going to want to replace the graphics card also and opt for a DX11 capable card.

As a heads up standard games today and on deck for later this year do not take advantage of hyperthreading giving the i5 2500K the nod for price / performance ratio in comparison to the i7 2600K. Both of which are fantastic chips but when working within a budget you always go with the best bang for the buck.

Here are two system builds that we link to on a regular basis on the MMO Champ forums. Designed by one of the forum tech regulars and backed by anyone with a brain over there.

$700 Build
Case: Antec 200 $49.99
Power Supply: Corsair CX500 $59.99
Motherboard: AsRock Z68 Pro3-M $114.99
Processor: Intel i5 2500k $219.99
CPU Cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 $49.99 == OVER BUDGET
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB $38.99
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 $64.99
Optical Disc Drive: Sony Optiarc SATA DVD/CD Burner $19.99
Graphics Card: Asus ENGTX 460 768 MB $144.99
Total: 731.92 USD == 771.91

$1000 Build
Case: CoolerMaster Haf 912 $59.99
Power Supply: Corsair TX650 $89.99
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z68X UD-3 $169.99
Processor: Intel i5 2500k $219.99
CPU Cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 $49.99
RAM: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage 8GB $84.99
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 $64.99
Optical Disc Drive: Sony Optiarc SATA DVD/CD Burner $19.99
Graphics Card: MSI GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr $249.99
Total: 1009.91 USD


Any questions feel free to ask. Prices are based off of Newegg.com
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Re: Upgrade or just buy a new PC

Postby Fetzie » Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:52 pm

Thought I'd revive this thread.

The budget is now around 1300 Euros, but there is a bit of wiggle room upwards, up to about €1400. Due to the current hard disk prices (I'm not paying €200+ for a 2 TB HDD) I thought I would run it off the SSD (windows, office, couple of games) and use the 1500GB USB2.0 external I have lying around for anything else for the first couple of months until Seagate, Samsung and Western Digital get their factories running again and the prices for mechanical HDDs drop back down to acceptable levels.

OS: I have a free Windows 7 Home Premium license from University, so don't need to budget it in



1. Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 von ASUS Computer GmbH
EUR 171,60

2. Corsair Vengeance Memory (PC1600, 16GB, CL9) DDR3-RAM Kit (4x4GB)
EUR 78,55

3. ASUS EAH6970 DCII 2DI4S 2GD5 2048MB DDR5 PCI-E 256bit 1xdual link DVI 1xsingle link DVI aktiv von ASUS Computer GmbH
EUR 338,10

4. Crucial CT128M4SSD2 128GB internal SSD-Harddrive (6,4cm (2,5 inch), SATA) von Crucial
EUR 172,21

5. Corsair TXM Serie PC-PSU 650 Watt ATX von Corsair Memory (80+ Bronze)
EUR 93,00

6. Corsair Hydro H100 CWCH100 Socket 775/1156/1366 Fans: 2x 120mm von Corsair Memory
EUR 100,08

7. Intel Quad Core Box Processor (Intel Core i5-2500K, 3,3GHz, 6MB Cache, 1155 Sockel) von Intel
EUR 184,89

8. Cooler Master CM690 II Advanced Case
EUR 90,88

9. Asus DRW-24B3ST DVD burner
EUR 26,99


Total Price: €1256,30 (amazon.de, might find slightly better prices elsewhere)


Questions:

Firstly: Have I been a complete idiot and chosen components that are incompatible with each other?

Secondly: From what I have read, the power supply should be about right. Am I mistaken?

Thirdly: 1333 MHz RAM vs 1600 MHz. Will I notice a difference?

Fourthly: Will the H100 fit in the top of the case (it has mounting holes for fans), and should I get fans to fill the rest of the fan mounting points?
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Re: Upgrade or just buy a new PC

Postby Talaii » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:02 am

Firstly: Have I been a complete idiot and chosen components that are incompatible with each other?


Everything should work together.

Secondly: From what I have read, the power supply should be about right. Am I mistaken?


I'm running a similar system (i5-760, 6970) from a 500W power supply. 650 is more than enough.

Thirdly: 1333 MHz RAM vs 1600 MHz. Will I notice a difference?


Not much of one, but it's measurable. Above 1600MHz is a waste, so get 1600MHz if it doesn't cost more. Additionally, don't spend more to get better/tighter RAM timings - it doesn't make much of a difference on Sandy Bridge. Is that PC-16000 memory, or is it 1600MHz memory? PC-16000 is 2000MHz memory (16000MB/second), DDR3-1600MHz is PC-12800.
Also: If you're gaming, you probably won't notice the difference between 4G and 8G. You definitely won't notice the difference between 8 and 16. It's not a lot of money, but why spend more than you have to? (Things may be different if you're doing lots of heavy-duty database stuff, or scientific modelling, or running lots of VMs. But for a gaming machine, 8G is more than enough).

Fourthly: Will the H100 fit in the top of the case (it has mounting holes for fans), and should I get fans to fill the rest of the fan mounting points?


H100 should fit (the specs claim it'll fit a 120mm x 240mm rad in the top of the case). Again, though, I have to ask: Why bother? The all-in-one water coolers are no better than the higher-end air coolers, from what reviewers claim, and they are more expensive. Secondly, you won't need that much cooling unless you're going for some monster overclock, and gaming performance is far more reliant on the GPU than the CPU. Personally, I'd recommend getting a cheap, good air cooler (Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo is amazing for the price), and save a good 70 euros.
As far as fans go: If you were going for Crossfire or SLI (if you shave enough money from the above, two 560Tis or two 6950s are amazing; if you're willing to deal with the problems that a multi-GPU setup can have) I would put an extra intake fan in on the side, over the video cards, to give them fresh air. Otherwise, one front and one back should be fine, and adding more later is easy enough if you find it's necessary. It won't be at stock speeds, but it could let you overclock more, or it could reduce the noise from the system (lots of big fans spinning slowly is quieter than a few spinning fast).
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Re: Upgrade or just buy a new PC

Postby Fetzie » Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:15 am

I am definitely planning on a 4.4-4.6 GHz overclock on the CPU (maybe look into more) and will probably tweak the graphics card too. I also don't really want a 12x12x12 cube of radiator (like the noctua nh d14) hanging off my motherboard and filling the case.

I am not planning on going for SLI/CF any time soon, I will simply buy the price point equivalent of the 6970/570 in 2-3 years time (so probably 8970 or 9970 / 870 or 970 if they keep the numbers the same) and either sell the 6970 or put it in a second computer. I don't want to have to wait for driver fixes to be able to play new games properly so SLI/CFX are out of the question.

I guess I can just get another 2x4GB if and when I need it. The memory I posted is 1600 MHz (PC-12800).
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Re: Upgrade or just buy a new PC

Postby Jheherrin » Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:44 am

Assuming that they will deliver to germany, I found the prices at http://www.4launch.nl the best I could find when I put my last PC together.
If I put what you selected in it only saves about 30 Euros though.
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